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  1. lancerman

    lancerman 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Can’t put the genie back in the bottle. You can never justify lowballing Mahomes after Goff and Wentz got so much.
     
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  2. Elijah

    Elijah The Tom Brady Of Not Having A Gf PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Brady occupying two of those top 10 percentages, one as recently as 2018, should put an end to the "Brady has always played here at below market value" talk. It should, but it won't.
     
  3. TheRainMaker

    TheRainMaker In the Starting Line-Up

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    49ers also blew it. They were in dire need of a QB, but slept on all of them and took Soloman Thomas of all people. Lynch/Shanny recovered with Jimmy G, but I'm sure they are shaking their heads on not taking Watson or Mahomes.
     
  4. TheRainMaker

    TheRainMaker In the Starting Line-Up

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    My philosophy on paying QB's: If you're not a game changing-once in a generational type player, you aren't getting paid top dollar.
     
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  5. farn

    farn Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    I agree with your philosophy. Many league GMs (luckily) don’t and they pay for it, literally & figuratively.
     
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    borg PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Does it?
    A list of all QB salaries should be used to define Brady’s salary rank, not a list of one QB who won the final playoff game.
     
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  7. Nehalem

    Nehalem 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    I heard the Patriots have $100m+ in cap space next year :cool:
     
  8. Elijah

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    I think it's pretty safe to conclude from just that list that if you account for 10% or more of the salary cap, you're paid pretty damn high. Not like Peyton's numbers were much higher, and he's got no reputation for playing at a discount.
     
  9. varjao

    varjao Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    the cowboys should do it
     
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  10. Ice_Ice_Brady

    Ice_Ice_Brady AB Forever PatsFans.com Supporter

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    1000%

    Seems that this is a PERFECT situation where a team should do this. You have a guy who is not a superstar, maybe not even a star, who will get you about 9-7/10-6 before getting his payday. When he finally gets paid, imagine what this record will be.

    I’d roll the dice on a draft pick and hope to hit big. Beats the inevitable 6-7 win seasons that will happen if you pay Dak $35M.

    The idea that you must pay a star that much money seems to be borrowed from the NBA and then reinforced through Brady and Manning. But by and large it’s not a championship winning strategy. It’s more likely to give the team a face and make them relevant but not really contend.

    Again, only if it’s a real stud like Mahomes, Brady, Wilson, Brees, Roethlisberger, etc.
     
  11. MainePatsFan26

    MainePatsFan26 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    This approach is also more likely to yield fruit if you churn through young quarterbacks 1-2 per draft. You'll be cutting or trading them each season with this approach but can net decent players and save cap space on not only starting quarterbacks but also the backups.

    The issue with this approach is not having a veteran leader either as a starter or backup to teach the younger players. I guess what you'd have to do is have a reasonably sized group of quarterback coaches preferably with past starting experience.
     
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  12. Bill Lee

    Bill Lee What, me worry? PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Apparently you can be given ownership stakes if they are cash equivalent value.

    Think of the following when you evaluate Elway's business skills:

    Rovell: How John Elway missed out on a fortune
     
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    Agree. If I wasn't so lazy I'd check to see where Brady ranked compared to the rest of the QB each season.

    One very interesting thing I noticed about that list is that Brady's % in 2018 was greater than his total % in 01, 03 and 04 combined. Brady was a real bargain in the early days.
     
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    QBs in the 2020 Super Bowl conversation.

    NFC

    Brady - If the GOAT can gel with his new teammates there's no reason why Brady cant have # 7.
    Brees - The past 2 seasons Brees throwing arm has faded. NO suffered injuries last year. Kamara needs to be healthy.
    Wilson - RW is prone to a bad game and he had a few in 2019, but love his chances to get back to a Super Bowl.
    Rodgers - He seems due, but I just have that MEH feeling about GB. Maybe they put it all together.

    I dont see any other guys. Not sold on Ryan, Jimmy, Wentz, Goff

    AFC

    Mahomes - His Super Bowl trip to lose
    Big Ben - Maybe has 1 more Super Bowl in him. Ben is still good enough.
    Watson - Good enough to make the post season, but Id be shocked to see him win a Super Bowl.
    Jackson - Flashy, but I believe his days are numbered. Rushing QBs get too busted up in the NFL. 1 good hit is all its going to take.
     
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  15. 1960Pats

    1960Pats PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    PEDton has that reputation because he was paid more most years, if not every year. That includes his record nine one and done playoffs.

    Brady is also on that list six times, compared to Pedton's two. That alone made him worth his salary.

    Here's another fun fact. If you took the average of their %'s on that list, Brady averages out to 6.96 while Pedton comes out at 11.03. Even Eli is much higher than TB at 10.46.

    I'm not saying that Brady was taking discounts, but I think he averaged less than Archie's boys.
     
  16. JarOfMayo51

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    Yea, the KC offense is a totally different animal when Tyreek Hill is out with injury or suspended for beating his kids/threatening his baby mamma

    I guess the only logical reason they would want to rush getting him under contract is because the salaries keep inflating year after year
     
  17. bresna

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    Brady is still 6.8% of the Patriots cap in 2020. :)

    That puts him at #3 on the Patriots cap hits for 2020.
     
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  18. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

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    So, the ONLY quarterbacks and take up at least 10% of their team's cap are Brady and Manning.
     

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