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Can an educated Skins fan please inform us about the schemes that Washington runs on defense and offense?

Let us know what you do very well and let us know what you don't do well. If possible, let us know what your team seems to do well against and what types of teams give you guys trouble.

I am trying to get a thread started that will be a little more football oriented. Thank you for your help.
 
Anyone? Beuller?
 
I'll help you out: "Sean Taylor Sean Taylor Sean Taylor Sean Taylor Laron Landry Sean Taylor Sean Taylor Area 51 Sean Taylor Sean Taylor Sean Taylor"
 
I'll help you out: "Sean Taylor Sean Taylor Sean Taylor Sean Taylor Laron Landry Sean Taylor Sean Taylor Area 51 Sean Taylor Sean Taylor Sean Taylor"

omgomgomgomgomgomg laron landry is so fast and strong omgomg.
 
Here's what the Skins do well.

On defense, Gregg Williams has refrained from his love of disguise and the blitz this year, in order to achieve his primary goal for this year: stop the explosive pass play. As a result, he's played the most basic of schemes. What we've seen so far is lots of Cover 3 in run situations with Landry in the box, and lots of a modified Cover 2 in obvious pass situations (typically will drop the MLB extra deep and drop a DT into the RB-hook area vacated by the DT to prevent the easy dump pass).

The cover 3 is a bit unusual because Taylor can cover an amazing amount of ground and seems to have a great sense of where the ball is going. I would expect, however, to see Brady look off a deep WR (perhaps with a pump fake) to get Taylor going in the wrong direction and go for a big strike against Springs or Rogers.

The Skins' secondary is their strength. Taylor leads the league in INTs (while still having dropped at least 5 that hit him in both hands), and is in the top 2 or 3 in passes defended. Landry is an extremely versatile player who is equally adept playing the run or pass with great athleticism. He is a rookie though, so you can still see him thinking at times. The corners are Springs, Rogers, Smoot, and Macklin. They're a very solid group who have been coached this year to not give up the big play.

The LBs are also very good. Fletcher-Baker is the absolute heart of the defense and he is always around the ball. Rocky McIntosh is great at playing the run (both shedding blocks and tackling), but is a bit lost in zone coverage at times. Marcus Washington is a pro-bowl caliber player struggling with injuries right now. He dislocated his elbow earlier and has missed the past 2 games with a hamstring issue. He has practiced and looks to be back for the Patriots game.

The front 4 are very good run-stoppers but only merely adequate pass rushers. There is no Freeney-type pressure around the edge; most, if not all of the pressure has come as a result of solid coverage allowing the pass rush to get to the QB. Andre Carter is probably the best pure pass rusher, but he's only okay against the run, and can get caught guessing pass in some obvious pass-rush situations when actually a run is called. Anthony Montgomery is a bullish DT who is a great run-stopper 1-on-1 as he uses his hands very, very well, but is only adequate when double-teamed. Cornelius Griffin is the Skins' best DT who the Skins count on to collapse the pocket in passing situations and also plays the run very well. Phillip Daniels is another solid run-stopper who gets his sacks on effort. In pass rush situations, expect to see Washington, Griffin, Daniels/Demetric Evans/Kedric Golston, and Carter with their hands on the ground. Evans or Golston will occassionally drop into that RB-hook area I mentioned earlier.

I think I've seen some stat where Brady has an amazing QB rating against the blitz. Williams' noted the same thing versus Kitna and decided to let his front 3/4 rush the passer. Williams must be going crazy because he has, at most, blitzed 2 times in non-goal-line situations over the past few weeks. I expect that Williams will continue his trend of making offenses beat them by dink and dunk by refusing to give up the big play by playing his soft zone coverage. He may mix up a few blitzes just to give some different looks or to force a short throw on 3rd and long, but I can't see him using his 2004/2005 defensive playbook which was 50%+ blitzes.

I'll post offense later if anyone is interested.
 
Wow. Great post, Bob. Please do share your rundown of the offense.
 
Kudos to Bob. That was great. THAT is the kind of thing we really like opposing fans to post when they come in the week of the game. Thanks for helping out, I hope you'll post more.
 
Thank you!! A solid analysis of football schemes. I'd love to hear about the offense too.

I posted my in depth analysis yesterday of what I thought were match up problems for the Skins in this game and not a soul responded to it.

I know the Skins offense has been inconsistent. Tell us what you anticipate on Sunday from the Skins O.
 
Thank you very much bob, of course an offensive break down is also appreciated. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions on your response?

{asks anyway without hearing an answer}

1) On the modified Cover 2, are the modifications the things that you mentioned (typically will drop the MLB extra deep and drop a DT into the RB-hook area vacated by the DT to prevent the easy dump pass) or are there more?

2) The dropping of the DT, is that something that is done to surprise, or is it done on most of obvious passing downs?

3) The cover 3 on running downs, is that in a big nickle type thing, or is the third party the MLB? Can you break down this defense a little more (weak points, defenders used, etc.)

4) How has Washington handled the spread offense?

5) How big are the guys on the DL?
 
Here's what the Skins do well.

I can believe they won't give up too many big plays. I would expect that the Pats will take what is given, and go for it underneath. I like that this eats up more clock, but also gives Welker, Stallworth and Watson the chance to show what they can do after the catch.

Of course, you want to win the game, not just compete or stop the big play. The tactical level is only supposed to support the strategic level where a plan is in place to put the guys in position to win.

I've said all along that they have to put Brady on his ass, or show up in his face with arms raised in order to throw off his game to the mortal level. They have to do that. That is not optional. Giving him time to thread the needle just puts him in a zone where he, well, threads the needle.

The blitz is not a good option (as you know), but collapsing the pocket and making him rush his throws, that is to me the only way on this earth to beat him.

I happen to think the Giants have that sort of front four, but I'm not sure. I'm glad they're on the schedule though. That's going to be a better matchup than most people realize.
 
Thank you very much bob, of course an offensive break down is also appreciated. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions on your response?

{asks anyway without hearing an answer}

1) On the modified Cover 2, are the modifications the things that you mentioned (typically will drop the MLB extra deep and drop a DT into the RB-hook area vacated by the DT to prevent the easy dump pass) or are there more?

2) The dropping of the DT, is that something that is done to surprise, or is it done on most of obvious passing downs?

3) The cover 3 on running downs, is that in a big nickle type thing, or is the third party the MLB? Can you break down this defense a little more (weak points, defenders used, etc.)

4) How has Washington handled the spread offense?

5) How big are the guys on the DL?


1) That's typically it. The CBs might play a bit softer than usual to prevent an easy completion on the outs and deep curls. Williams has great faith in his guys tackling, which has been pretty darn good this year, so he'll play back and let his guys fly up to make the tackle to prevent YAC.

2) Dropping the DT is done quite a bit. I'd guess we see it about 1/2 the time in an obvious pass-rush situation.

3) Cover-3 in running downs sees Landry drop down as a stack-LB, while Washington or McIntosh move to the LOS to give a 5 man front, with 2 LBs and a SS behind that. It's very effective at stopping the run and the short pass. It is extremely vulnerable to the deep-in (15-18 yards or so). Surprisingly, it hasn't been too vulnerable to the deep ball because Taylor lines up so deep and has such a good knack for sniffing out the ball.

4) Detroit tried the spread a good bit. Williams never blitzed against them. Not once. He primarily played his modified cover-2 out of nickel, some cover-3, and an occasional cover-2 man-under. I forgot to mention that sometimes instead of a 3rd CB the Skins will use safety Pierson Prioleau as a nickel defender. He will almost never be asked to cover an outside defender or play a deep zone - he is almost exclusive in the slot or a short zone. He's a great defender though because he knows exactly where he's supposed to be at all times, and is a solid tackler. He would have started last year over Archuleta but for tearing his ACL on the opening kick-off. I feel very fortunate he's made a great comeback because he provides great safety depth.

5) The DL, aside from Carter, is a solid group are all very stout. This is just an estimte from my memory, but Daniels runs 280 or so (big for a 4-3 DE), Griffin is back up to 310 or so, Montgomery is probably in the 315 area, and Carter runs 260 or so (but is literally all muscle, he has some ridiculously low body-fat percentage). I also forgot to mention the Skins will bring in a pass-rush specialist named Chris Wilson (undrafted rookie free agent) on passing downs who isn't too bad at getting the corner. Sometimes I think he's instructed just to get to the corner, even if a bit deep, if for nothing else just to force the QB off his preferred throwing spot and into Griffin's rush or to alter the QBs throwing mechanics.

I'll get to the offense later this afternoon.
 
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God Bless Bob Zmuda! Thank you.
 
i would ahve to agree, very very very nice job...i enjoyed taht read
 
I really hate to say this but the offense does not seem to be firing on all cylinders. Loosing Janses and Randy Thomas, two pro-bow caliber linemen, decimated our entire right side. Casey Rabach is hopeful for this week at center, but he will be close to a game time decision.

Redskins attack features two speedy receivers, complimented by 1-2 punch at running back with Portis and Betts. It really is a Vanilla offense, much like the defense.

With the line in the state that it is in, running the ball has been less than effective. Washington has landed in the middle of the pack at 114 ypg. I believe Washington still gets some success in opening the passing game, due to Portis's reputation as a fast back with take it to the house potential. Betts is more of a between the tackles down hill runner and eats up a small chunk of yards at a time. The best surprise for me this year is usage of Mike Sellers. Our 6'3 284 LB fullback. He is a nasty force up the middle. Campbell, while not a particularly strong runner, has the ability to get out of the pocket and eat up some yards with his feet.
 
The passing attack can get a bit complex at times, but mostly the skins will line up with the standard I form offense. Alot of shifts and motions, product of Al Saunders, are used to try to expose the defense, and create mismatches in the slots.

Jason Campbell is a promising young QB with a great arm. He is surprisingly accurate on the deep ball. Complimenting Campbell are 2 very speedy receivers who have the ability to make things happen in the open field. Moss is similar to Stallworth, in his ability to finesse his way through the defense after the catch. I will look for the Redskins to lign up in a lot of 3 receiver sets with Either Cooley in the slot as the third, or perhaps even Reche or Thrash, in the attempt to split the defense.

One of the most effective plays to date is the sweep pass to either Betts, Portis, or even Sellers. Look for Campbell to throw to his check down alot.
 
I really hate to say this but the offense does not seem to be firing on all cylinders. Loosing Janses and Randy Thomas, two pro-bow caliber linemen, decimated our entire right side. Casey Rabach is hopeful for this week at center, but he will be close to a game time decision.

Redskins attack features two speedy receivers, complimented by 1-2 punch at running back with Portis and Betts. It really is a Vanilla offense, much like the defense.

With the line in the state that it is in, running the ball has been less than effective. Washington has landed in the middle of the pack at 114 ypg. I believe Washington still gets some success in opening the passing game, due to Portis's reputation as a fast back with take it to the house potential. Betts is more of a between the tackles down hill runner and eats up a small chunk of yards at a time. The best surprise for me this year is usage of Mike Sellers. Our 6'3 284 LB fullback. He is a nasty force up the middle. Campbell, while not a particularly strong runner, has the ability to get out of the pocket and eat up some yards with his feet.

Thanks, Skins72 for some good analysis - - keep it coming, it's appreciated.

I sympathize with your team's injuries, but that kind of thing falls on deaf ears in New England.

This year the Patriots were 4-0 and had a BETTER points per game avg than now without their starting Safety and dominant DE.

In the 2004 postseason, they beat the two Co-MVP's McNair and Manning (by a score of 20-3 in a year in which he set the NFL TD Passing record) without their two starting CB's. They subbed for them with a 4th rounder, 3 street free agents and an 8th rounder who happened to be a WR.

Teams should PLAN for injuries and manage accordingly. This is the fundamental wrong about the Dan Snyder School of Fantasy Football Drafting. It doesn't matter as much how spectacular your top 5 stars are. What's more important is how good your bottom 15 are.

Many other NFL teams have learned by watching. The Redskins are shockingly one of the only teams that stubbornly swims against that current.
 
Thanks, Skins72 for some good analysis - - keep it coming, it's appreciated.

I sympathize with your team's injuries, but that kind of thing falls on deaf ears in New England.

This year the Patriots were 4-0 and had a BETTER points per game avg than now without their starting Safety and dominant DE.

In the 2004 postseason, they beat the two Co-MVP's McNair and Manning (by a score of 20-3 in a year in which he set the NFL TD Passing record) without their two starting CB's. They subbed for them with a 4th rounder, 3 street free agents and an 8th rounder who happened to be a WR.

Teams should PLAN for injuries and manage accordingly. This is the fundamental wrong about the Dan Snyder School of Fantasy Football Drafting. It doesn't matter as much how spectacular your top 5 stars are. What's more important is how good your bottom 15 are.

Many other NFL teams have learned by watching. The Redskins are shockingly one of the only teams that stubbornly swims against that current.

Much to our dismay . In Gibbs Defense though, how can you possibly prepare for losing 3 of your 5 starting O-lineman (C, RT, RG)
 
Much to our dismay . In Gibbs Defense though, how can you possibly prepare for losing 3 of your 5 starting O-lineman (C, RT, RG)


Does Gibbs, at this point, have full decision-making power over personnel?
 
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