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Brady’s contract with Tampa Bay - $25m/yr for 2 years?!


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So, the fans are the "we' you talk of.Yes, many FANS and POSTERS have wanted the team to sign 2 and 3 year deals (and extensions with Brady for the last 3 off-seasons. And yes, MANY fans wanted to guarantee Brady $50M, with the expectation that he plays for 2-3 years. Yes, mechanically, we could have created another $20M or $30M of Brady dead money for 2022 and 2023 (hopefully, not for 2021).

Our GM and coach disagreed and has disagreed for 3 years. Many fans think that Belichick is terrible GM. OK, I strongly disagree, and Kraft disagrees. Of course, many of these fans will be gone soon.

No problem letting Brady walk as I fully expect last years elbow injury to be an ongoing thing.

However, the GM and coach deserve 100% of the blame for sad talent level on this team. How can a team miss on every single skill position guy they presently have. With the exception of Edelman, who is aging, and James White, there is no ability at any of the skill positions. It's almost comical how bad te,wr and rb are.
 
1.It is common knowledge that if Brady does not like you, it wont matter how open you are because Brady is not going to throw you the ball.

2. The Pats do not have an even good WR and TE corp. It was so bad last year that NE had to go out and bring in 2 new WRs way after the season began. One being a criminal in AB and then over paying for the other guy Sanu. Desperate measures in desperate times.

3. At this moment nothing has changed with the WRs and TEs from last season. Byrd does not move the needle.

4. In post game threads there have been plenty of comments that Brady missed open passing options on failed drives and in losses. Missed opportunities. Its hard to tell on TV, but I have seen the same issue with Brady not seeing a basically wide open WR on a 3rd read for discussions sake.

5. Brady was verbally critical and frustrated with the NE WRs and TEs last season. At times on the field it appeared that Brady just gave up and launched the ball into double and sometimes triple coverage hoping for the best.

6. For Brady to stay in NE it would take better WRs and better TEs which the Pats do not have nor do the Pats have the cap money to spend this season. Patriots drafting at the WR position has been abysmal too.

7. Brady made the correct move playing for Tampa with their stable of great to very good offensive receiving options. Arians likes 3 WR sets and airing the ball out so Brady should be racking up some passing yards which is what he wants to do anyway.

Yeah Brady made the correct move for himself. You’re right.

I am just saying Pats FO fcked up big time. They should have tried their best to keep him. And they clearly failed us.
 
Cap space is not an excuse. The saints had a huge dead money hit on Brees' old deal and still gave him 25 mil a year. You work the cap and add years if you need to. They also just added sanders. Why did we not just make it work? For what? Because BB wants to try and do something with the 5 years he has left? How is the team we will field this year better without Brady? What will the excuse be by some of you people when we win 5 games? Transitional year? Why not just build a contract with Brady and suffer a 'transitional' year later?

Exactly. The team we field is not better without Brady. There’s no comparison there. And we could easily have managed the cap space by adding void years.
 
No problem letting Brady walk as I fully expect last years elbow injury to be an ongoing thing.

However, the GM and coach deserve 100% of the blame for sad talent level on this team. How can a team miss on every single skill position guy they presently have. With the exception of Edelman, who is aging, and James White, there is no ability at any of the skill positions. It's almost comical how bad te,wr and rb are.

Add QB to that now.
 
Pats had the frickin cap space to sign Brady for 2yrs for $50m. Give me a break. They still have his $13m cap charge. And they could have used void years to put the charge even further out. We could have easily signed him to this contract if we wanted.

BB let his ego get the better of him.

Were you in the room Brady and BB, or are you just swallowing the media tripe? You do realize the media speculation/opinion that becomes fact is frequently speculation/opinion, don't you?

1. Brady wanted to test free agency, as many have done, with the intention of not returning (the Pats are known to allow players to test the market and then counter any offer received - not unreasonable). If BB was shocked, then that may be the case. The last deal was done to set up such a scenario.
2. BB offered a crap deal that prompted free agency or said he didn't value Brady's abilities or in response to offers received, I don't buy it, given what happened to the receiving corps last year, but who knows. Not sure how starting Stidham or bringing in a QB unfamiliar with a complex system would be in the best interests of the team, unless that QB is JAG, who knows the system. No other QB than Brady or JAG is a better value in the system, and BB pays based on the best interests of the team (the Pats do pay top deals, and Brady has seemed happy with slightly less than best at contract time because he wanted the personnel around him) so presumably would outbid other offers.

You assume Brady ever intended to return after the last deal, at any price, based on whatever reason he had for leaving. If Brady said "give me $x," and never gave the Pats a shot, then he did what he wanted. Good for him, he earned it. If you actually have evidence of the non-public negotiations on this transaction from anything either party has said on which to base your rant, then cite it and sound a little rational. Neither party seems to have explained anything, so I assume you are reading the tea leaves like you were there.

And FYI, if you root against the success of the head coach and owner (you don't have to 'like' either as a fan), you root against the the team . You want the team to fail because the player left so they look bad, which makes you not a fan of the team. If any other read on that makes sense to you, then I don't expect rational dialogue on this topic from you.
 
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I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a fan base who hates their team so damn much. The winningest franchise of the last 20 years! Success really attracts some weird mother****ers.

You can love a franchise and hate FO decisions.

You can be a patriot and hate Trump’s decisions.

There’s no inconsistency.
 
He didn't want to resign with Patriots because of the lack of talent on the roster. It had nothing to do with money. This roster is horrible, especially on offense, and Brady's attitude last year made it obvious he knew how bad it was. He wasn't going to spend the last couple of years of his career working with the garbage the Pats have on O.

If Stidham is the QB this year, I feel bad for the guy. He may truly be a quality player, but he isn't going to have an opportunity to prove it with the Pats' personnel on offense

Pats didn’t even try to re-sign Brady. One phonecall in which BB was “business-like” and gruff and no progress made. That’s it. Utter stupidity.
 
Add QB to that now.

Maybe, maybe not, but we won't know, because the talent level on this offense isn't sufficient to give any qb a fair shot. The 2020 qb for the New England Patriots is going to get killed. Brady was experienced enough to throw the ball away (some might argue prematurely as of late). That killed his completion percentage this past season. A new qb without that awareness is a sitting duck in this offense.
 
Bill wanted to get younger and more mobile at QB, without paying his aging GOAT money he can use to keep leadership in place during the transition. Tom has had enough of Bill's curmudgeonly ways, wanted to be treated differently than Bill was going to treat him. Like it or not, what has made Bill a successful coach is the fact that he does what he does regardless of who it is. I see Tom's point of view as well. He's done everything, and in his mind, he's earned the right to be treated differently. He has more in common with Belichick than he does with a N'keal Harry or some other 4th round draft pick coming out of school. Tom has the right to think that after all he's done, he should be treated as peer, as a partner in the process. Bill also has a right to think that you're the player, I am the coach, and that's all there is to talk about.

They could sign Tom and not be as good, in their book, as they would if they went with a younger guy. You guys can be up in arms pissed off at the organization, but this is what they do. They look at player X and say player X costs us ____ amount of money. We can get player Z to give 80% of the production of player X and pay player Z 30% of the money player X gets. (in this case, it's more like 3%) That then allows them to go get the middle of the road free agents that they've built this dynasty on. Once it became clear to them that Tom was on the decline, this was a forgone conclusion. The fact that Tom no longer wanted to be here made it easy for them.

From my arm chair, Tom's best days are indeed behind him. I would've been ok signing him and not being as good and saying thanks for the memories. Or, we can move forward and see what happens, and see if they can keep it going with a younger, less expensive QB. If you're a fan of the player, you'll buy a #12 bucs jersey and hate what they did. If you're a fan of the team, you'll tune in Sunday at 1pm and see how the new kid does.

Yeah, all that OR what made BB successful all these years was that he had the greatest football player of all time, let alone QB, at below market contracts. We are about to find out what BB’s frickin system can or cannot do without Tom at the helm. I bet BB’s full of ****.
 
Pats didn’t even try to re-sign Brady. One phonecall in which BB was “business-like” and gruff and no progress made. That’s it. Utter stupidity.

Brady isn't going to get better. His elbow condition from last year will flare up again this year. The upside for Brady will be he's surrounded by a huge upgrade in offensive talent. The ability of his new skill position guys to get open quickly will protect him somewhat. The Pats were right to let him walk.
 
We haven't seen what the Pats will do in the off-season. Why the doom and gloom so early?

Go Pats

No cap space left. They’ll be doing a whole bunch of “who’s that” “who’s this guy they signed” “THAT guy, really?!?”. BB will stop getting a pass once Brady is gone and he starts blowing up.
 
You can love a franchise and hate FO decisions.

You can be a patriot and hate Trump’s decisions.

There’s no inconsistency.
I am a Patriot & I do dislike Trump and his decisions. So this will be a great example. The big difference here are the people who want to see BB tank (Trump giving up and running the country into the ground) or see BB fail (again, Trump running the country into the ground.) I wish Trump the greatest of success so that the people of this country can prosper, but I will remain critical of him. No problem with ppl criticizing the organization, but I do have a problem with ppl wishing for it’s demise.
 
No cap space left. They’ll be doing a whole bunch of “who’s that” “who’s this guy they signed” “THAT guy, really?!?”. BB will stop getting a pass once Brady is gone and he starts blowing up.
Have you forgotten how this dynasty was built in the first place?
 
With a quarterback
Strong D and a power running game with solid ST’s play and a smart young QB. Brady wasn’t bad, but he wasn’t all-world either. I hear ya though. The season is doomed.
 
Yeah so glad we let Brady go for “new weapons” like Thuney and DMac.

I struggle to understand what you feel like we could've done other than strip other parts of the team, most of which have already been stripped from the fact that they're FA's (linebackers especially), to free up enough capital to get those weapons. He knew that. That's why he left. It just was not in the cards.

Wasn't a whole lot of middle ground in the FA to pick from this year. Obviously are not going to be able to afford Hopkins (he apparently wanted a new contract?). Sanders was the only option who made sense, but he doesn't fix all the problems, and he wasn't that cheap of a buy anyway.

This is the salary cap serving its purpose. It is meant to do these things. It is meant to increase parity. It is meant to make it difficult to hold a GOAT QB for 5 years, let alone 20, and build an effective team around him.
 
Yeah Brady made the correct move for himself. You’re right.

I am just saying Pats FO fcked up big time. They should have tried their best to keep him. And they clearly failed us.

Hate to say it, but I believe that Brady will never see another Super Bowl.

Its just not that easy to have a culture like NEs and too many things go wrong every season. Even after last years trainwreck the Patriots won 12 games.
 
No problem letting Brady walk as I fully expect last years elbow injury to be an ongoing thing.

However, the GM and coach deserve 100% of the blame for sad talent level on this team. How can a team miss on every single skill position guy they presently have. With the exception of Edelman, who is aging, and James White, there is no ability at any of the skill positions. It's almost comical how bad te,wr and rb are.

Talent assessment from McDaniels in the war room

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Hate to say it, but I believe that Brady will never see another Super Bowl.

Its just not that easy to have a culture like NEs and too many things go wrong every season. Even after last years trainwreck the Patriots won 12 games.

He won't. I'd bet $10K the elbow injury flares up again this year. Advantage Father Time.
 
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Wassup on Tommy Boy's team being featured in HBO's "Hard Knockers" this summah?
This thrifty now near penniless Scot might even subscribe.
Ah gots ta know!
 
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