The Tom Brady rumor thread

[RobertWeathers]

LMFAO. Miami was a playoff team in ‘08. Come on now. The five more losses against an easier schedule were because of Brady’s loss in Week 1. Further, please remind me how they fared against those playoff teams?

This isn't a question about the which NEP was better. Thats obvious.

We are discussing the strength of schedule.

Both had 6 regular season games in which were against playoff teams.

 

[farn]

This is what some people can't comprehend.

Another thing people can’t comprehend ? That in the FA era, that BB has won six rings. Yes, Brady was a HUGE contributor. But there are plenty of games (including SBs) that were as much about the team around him.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

It seems us fans are divided and either Team Brady or Team BB.

I'll admit I'm Team Brady and think BB will get exposed within 2-3 years if the QB play is sub par.

But isn’t that any HC? If your QB play is subpar your record will be as well.

 

[TheRainMaker]

...and thanks to BBs scheme, offense and roster management Tom had a HoF career and not a very good one with a lesser team.

Curiously, you can actually point at Bill, and his roster management, as the sole reason why Brady doesn’t have more than 6 championships.

Look, it's amazing what the Pats have done in the last 20 years as it's a complete fluke, but I think they could've/should've had more Championships. Maybe that's selfish of me to think, but they had a ton of opportunities in a league that had a hard time competing with them.

 

[farn]

Curiously, you can actually point at Bill, and his roster management, as the sole reason why Brady doesn’t have more than 6 championships.

I like you, but do you believe this ? This discounts the tremendously difficult job of team building and managing injuries in today’s League. 2015 might've been the best one !

 

[holyredeemer]

It seems us fans are divided and either Team Brady or Team BB.

I'll admit I'm Team Brady and think BB will get exposed within 2-3 years if the QB play is sub par.

It seems us fans are divided and either Team Brady or Team BB.

I'll admit I'm Team Brady and think BB will get exposed within 2-3 years if the QB play is sub par.

Don’t forget the group of us that aren’t team Brady or team bb. It’s all about the Patriots man. Idc the name of the person that gets us there, just so long as we get there.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Curiously, you can actually point at Bill, and his roster management, as the sole reason why Brady doesn’t have more than 6 championships.

Yea Bill might have had 8 but Tom f-ed up a couple of times. It happens to the best.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I like you, but do you believe this ? This discounts the tremendously difficult job of team building and managing injuries in today’s League. 2015 might've been the best one !

Hes being a prick. Thats why I like him.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It seems us fans are divided and either Team Brady or Team BB.

I'll admit I'm Team Brady and think BB will get exposed within 2-3 years if the QB play is sub par.

I agree with this. It's nothing against Bill. You can only as far as your players. He's a great coach, maybe the best ever, but his margin of error has also always been higher than anyone else...and that's because he's had one of the greatest team sports athletes of all-time for 20 years.

In terms of the contract stuff, though, I'm quickly jumping off of Team Brady in terms of who is more likely to want the relationship to end, or who wants to end more; I think it's Brady. If even some of these reports are true, it really appears that Brady just doesn't want to come back. His approach could have easily been "Hey, of course I want to finish my career in New England...but let's see if we can make it work." Instead it's been gloom and doom, a seeming reluctance to even embrace or say anything positive about the team. That isn't a negotiating ploy and won't matter for an offer. It's just his general attitude.

It seems that, to put it simply, about five years of horrendous drafts are the biggest factor here. Not Brady's fault; it's the Patriots fault, but not in some intentional way where they want Brady gone.

That's just my best interpretation, though smokescreens, bad reports, etc. The reporting about Brady's desires has been consistent and one-sided.

 

[TheRainMaker]

But isn’t that any HC? If your QB play is subpar your record will be as well.

That's my point. No coach can survive bad QB play.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Yea Bill might have had 8 but Tom f-ed up a couple of times. It happens to the best.

I can agree with this that Brady has had his fair share of f*** ups.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Look, it's amazing what the Pats have done in the last 20 years as it's a complete fluke, but I think they could've/should've had more Championships. Maybe that's selfish of me to think, but they had a ton of opportunities in a league that had a hard time competing with them.

Why do fans think this.

Every Super Bowl victory is decided by 3-4 plays.

We won 6.

We could have won 9

A play here or there and we could have only 2.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I can agree with this that Brady has had his fair share of f*** ups.

I'm screwing with Kontra and he is screwing with me but seriously, the argument of which is more valuable is circular and accomplishes nothing.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Why do fans think this.

Every Super Bowl victory is decided by 3-4 plays.

We won 6.

We could have won 10

A play here or there and we could have only 2.

Most of my gripes come from their roster management during their 10 year drought. The league as a whole was pretty bad and the Pats should've been able to take advantage of that.

 

[signbabybrady]

It seems us fans are divided and either Team Brady or Team BB.

Personally I like them both a lot.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Another thing people can’t comprehend ? That in the FA era, that BB has won six rings. Yes, Brady was a HUGE contributor. But there are plenty of games (including SBs) that were as much about the team around him.

Sure...Belichick has certainly done well. But do you realize how big an advantage he has with Brady plus Brady's top skill players? To put in perspective, look at the other elite quaterbacks around the league. Manning's top WRs were getting $12-14M each and there were two elite ones in Indy and Denver, plus often elite, high-paid RBs. Rodgers always has his $12-14M receiver (or two). Michael Thomas is making over $20M in New Orleans.

The Patriots were paying Gronk $7-9M per year throughout his contract; their WRs, including Edelman, have rarely exceeded $5M.

I have posted a whole bunch of comparisons, but typically the Patriots are spending somewhere in the $35-45M range for QB/WR/WR/TE/RB, while Manning's Colts, Rodgers Packers, and many other elite offenses are spending over $60M. That's a massive difference. And the Patriots have consistently fielded a top offense regardless of whose around Brady.

That's just otherworldly quarterbacking.

Give a bunch of coaches Brady's production by spending that little and they'll be able to fill out their rosters with elite talent and depth as well. And of course, give them the most clutch, never say die machine, who is actually better in the postseason than the regular season with the chips down (no other elite QB is like that.)

Belichick is great. He's going to have to play on the same playing field as other coaches/GMs when Brady's gone. Being great may not be enough to win championships; it often isn't.

 

[Kasmir]

Name on credible NFL source that agrees with the fact that Bill Belichick is a sub .500 HC without Tom Brady? You DO understand what I’m saying here, right?

My question to you: name one NFL GM or Coach that you even think would agree that Belichick would still be a 0.500 Coach/GM without Brady.

Evidence to the contrary is that it looks like BB is so respected that no one in the NFL dares to disagree with him in his harsh assessment that Brady is all but done. Dropping $30mm/year on Brady at 43 years old when BB is offering him $13mm is suicide as a GM if BB is right. He usually is.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Most of my gripes come from their roster management during their 10 year drought. The league as a whole was pretty bad and the Pats should've been able to take advantage of that.

Was it really a drought? Bad luck maybe...

10-6
12-4 AFCCG
16-0 SB app
11-5 Tb12 hurt
10-6 train wreck
14-2- jets
13-3- SB app
12-4-AFCCG
13-3- AFCCG

 

[TheRainMaker]

Another thing people can’t comprehend ? That in the FA era, that BB has won six rings. Yes, Brady was a HUGE contributor. But there are plenty of games (including SBs) that were as much about the team around him.

I think you're missing the point of what I was saying. Would BB even lasted that long? If the QB play was bad, he probably would've been gone around 2003.

 

[Kasmir]

Honestly that 95 browns season should be thrown out. A lot of turmoil out of his control with the owner deciding to leave Cleveland during the season. Prior to that he had the browns on the right track, something we can’t say with any browns HC since.

Not to mention he hired Ozzie Newsome into the front office. Newsome is widely credited with the Ravens subsequent success. And Belichick had Nick-effin-Saban as his DC, possibly the college coaching GOAT. Pretty damn good organizational vision.