Survey: how much should Brady be paid for him to stay next year?

[Boomer B]

There’s no way Brady takes a bottom tier salary like $18m, nor should he.

And what’s the alternative? With that schedule the likelihood of us making the playoffs with Stidham and subpar offensive talent around him isn’t favourable. Start the rebuild if Brady isn’t here next year. If you want one more run you sign Brady, if he’s interested in coming back here. Simple as that.

 

[RobertWeathers]

We just disagree on his track record of loading up the offense with talent. He has only done that once, IMO, in the Welker/Moss days.

We haven't been drafting TEs, RBs, and WRs like other teams do, and this year to top it off, we actually didn't even have any backup OLs other than Karras (though I'm not going to blame Veldheer on Belichick).

We've had 3 separate seasons in the last 15 years where we had the worst WR core in the NFL. That should happen once every 32 years, not 3x in 15 years (2006, 2013, 2019).

Pats havent finished lower than 10th in points per game since 2003 and this year are 7th which is the first time out of the top 4 since 2009.

I really don't understand your issue. You act like the offense has sucked and Brady has been neglected. He hasn't. Not even close for a long time. What more do you want? They've won 6 freaking SBs and played in 9 in the last 19 years. That's almost 1/2 of ALL SBs. They've won them with O and D. Do you care how they win them only if Tom has his stats?

 

[Zuma]

ZERO Super Bowls since 2019...tired of this crap! Don't pay him nothin!

 

[stcjones]

GOAT by far of course.....GREATEST Patriot Team player of ALL TIME ....and always put the team first financially...Hopefully Krafty Bob rewards him after the fact with some paid consultant position that he doesn’t even have to show up for....But getting back to topic...I don’t think they will offer enough money to bring Brady back and secondly I think this year has shown that Tom doesn’t really want to work with younger, new draftees anymore. He just doesn’t have the patience he used to and isn’t going to be spending the extra time with them to get things coordinated better for season....and also is starting to demonstrate a drop off in skills because like all of us....he’s getting older....

I will forever love Brady for everything he has done for NE ....he is a legend and the primary reason for their winning 6 SB.....but his big time payday will NOT happen here....he will have to decide if he wants to take a bunch of cash to play 1-2 years for another team....or retire.....A good part of me wishes he retired after SB 6 last year.....God Bless Tom fcking Brady....THE GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME!!!

considering this year's performance, it seems 35million is too high for Belichick, 5million is too low for Brady.
in your opinion, at what middle-ground value, can Belichick and Brady both make a compromise to allow Brady to stay next year?
I am thinking 18 millions, which is 1 million per game for 16 regular season games and 2 possible playoff games.
what the number in your mind?

 

[upstater1]

Pats havent finished lower than 10th in points per game since 2003 and this year are 7th which is the first time out of the top 4 since 2009.

I really don't understand your issue. You act like the offense has sucked and Brady has been neglected. He hasn't. Not even close for a long time. What more do you want? They've won 6 freaking SBs and played in 9 in the last 19 years. That's almost 1/2 of ALL SBs. They've won them with O and D. Do you care how they win them only if Tom has his stats?

This is absurd.

You're accusing me of saying this is all about stats when we've spent an entire year complaining about the offense.

I don't even know where your stats argument comes from.

You've said it twice and it's absurd.

 

[skinnydog]

All Brady ever wanted was the money saved from his cut-rate contract to be invested in WRs and/or TEs, yet all we had in August was Inman, Harris, & Thomas at bottom of the barrel contracts.

I think this is the issue with Brady and his contract. That and the fact they only offered him 1 year.

A big yes. Brady will want a legit top 10 QB deal (and so does the NFLPA), but what he really wants is a quality o-line and some quality skill position players. A Golden Tate type of receiver or the TE that went to the Saints in free agency. The happiest he was all season was when they signed AB.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is absurd.

You're accusing me of saying this is all about stats when we've spent an entire year complaining about the offense.

I don't even know where your stats argument comes from.

You've said it twice and it's absurd.

Here is your original post.

All Brady ever wanted was the money saved from his cut-rate contract to be invested in WRs and/or TEs, yet all we had in August was Inman, Harris, & Thomas at bottom of the barrel contracts.

I think this is the issue with Brady and his contract. That and the fact they only offered him 1 year

.

Tom has said winning is the most important thing to him. That is a fact.

BB has done exactly that in building the roster and winning Super Bowls

You imply Tom expects BB to get him get weapons on O. Why on Earth would BB agree to that when he's focused on building a complete team he can win with. After all, that is what Tom wants.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I don't think TB is going to hold the team hostage for every last dollar, its a matter of what BB wants to pay and if TB is willing to accept it, I'm going to say 20mill gets its done.

 

[Foxypats]

We would need to pay him at a minimum 25 m, anything less will be a huge insult to him and it will be a very poor look for the organisation. The guy can still play, maybe he is not elite anymore but with a few more pieces on the O , we will always reach the playoff with him. We have no one at this moment that is better than him. If the Pats don't mind a couple of sub par years, then by all means let him go and start Stidham. otherwise we need him back at a fair market value.

 

[lancerman]

This forum can be insane sometimes.

Reality.

1. Brady isn’t taking 18 million. That’s an insult

2. There’s likely no free agent coming up that will be an improvement to Brady

3. Even if there was a free agent out there, he’s costing more that 18 million and will be well above any team friendly contract. At that point, Brady is the most likely value deal

4. This team is going nowhere with Stidham. If you are considering him, you might as well just admit a total rebuild (team is 12-4 and just made the playoffs so that’s absurd) and then just give Brady a Kobe deal to retire while you work on rebuilding.

5. Unless you outright think this team has no shot next year, Brady is likely the best deal and it would be foolish to take a hardline stance to lowball him.

6. The most realistic option is draft a QB. Which would have no effect on any ability to keep Brady

 

[Hyped]

2 year, 70M deal with a 30M signing bonus and salaries of 15 and 25....and a cap hit of 30 & 40 the next two years....at worst...we spend 30 then a dead money hit of 15 in year two should we cut Brady or he retires.

 

[patsbrasilpatriotas]

2 year, 70M deal with a 30M signing bonus and salaries of 15 and 25....and a cap hit of 30 & 40 the next two years....at worst...we spend 30 then a dead money hit of 15 in year two should we cut Brady or he retires.

1) Brady has already 13 in gtd money left. 6.5M each season. So if they give him this contract. 15M each year SB + 15M + 25M Base salary his cap = 36.5M / 46.5M (21.5M in dead money) so basically more than Patrick Mahomes will get per year ...

2) I would not touch Brady for 35M per. I love him and i think the decline is not all his fault but for 35M they will have a JV team to field with him and if the decline is real ( i got see how he will do with his C/WR2 and TE) than this will kills them for at least 2 years.

My offer (i am nothing i just like cap stuff) would be:

45M SB (he would get 45M in his pocket right away) for 5 years. Base salary of 2 /3 full gtd, and 2/2/2 not gtd.

So basically a 2 year 50M (25M per all gtd) + 13M that they already own him so:

9M +6.5M + 2M/3M = 17.5M / 18.5m and 27M in dead money (we would need to rebuild probably anyway or get luck with a rookie QB and that dead would be no problem).

That would leave a lot of money to adress the key FA IMO: Thuney, KVN and DMac.

 

[RobertWeathers]

1) Brady has already 13 in gtd money left. 6.5M each season. So if they give him this contract. 15M each year SB + 15M + 25M Base salary his cap = 36.5M / 46.5M (21.5M in dead money) so basically more than Patrick Mahomes will get per year ...

2) I would not touch Brady for 35M per. I love him and i think the decline is not all his fault but for 35M they will have a JV team to field with him and if the decline is real ( i got see how he will do with his C/WR2 and TE) than this will kills them for at least 2 years.

My offer (i am nothing i just like cap stuff) would be:

45M SB (he would get 45M in his pocket right away) for 5 years. Base salary of 2 /3 full gtd, and 2/2/2 not gtd.

So basically a 2 year 50M (25M per all gtd) + 13M that they already own him so:

9M +6.5M + 2M/3M = 17.5M / 18.5m and 27M in dead money (we would need to rebuild probably anyway or get luck with a rookie QB and that dead would be no problem).

That would leave a lot of money to adress the key FA IMO: Thuney, KVN and DMac.

Good thoughts but there is no realistic scenario which has the NEP accounting for $27m in dead money if he is not on the team.

As you say there is already $13.5m in dead money next year. That is not owed to him.

They are going to want to keep total cap liability for Tom in 2020 around 12-13% of total cap.

I think they'll offer him ~$20m in new money w ~$10m counting in 2020 and push ~$10m in dead money for 2021.

Regardless what you believe his "down" season to be attributed to, it was a down year nonetheless. He's not seeing $25-$35m in 2020 here. Won't happen

I would be shocked if they offer him a "3 year deal" in which there is substantial dead money in 2021

 

[DaBronxPats14]

Agree. I never got the sense that Brady cared about the money and what frustrated him was the roster circus and the injuries including his own.

Anyway, we'll see.

Freaking strange season. At one point early on I thought 19-0 was a possibility. Haha

At one point, so did I.

 

[fair catch fryar]

In all seriousness, what choice do they have? Brady on a 2-year contract at a fair market price is a win-win. Brady has definitely dropped off from where he was, but is it worth brining in a second-tier traveling QB like Fitzpatrick because QBs like that aren't cheap either. Do you have faith in Stidham to take the reins after one year of tutelage under Brady? It's a tough call, but if they can find a middle ground I believe keeping Brady for at least 1 more season is their best option.

 

[ivanvamp]

Would be nice but no way Brady is taking 18 million.

The number the comes to mind is between 25-30 million which will leave this team with no way to upgrade the TE or WR positions.

Why on earth would you say that? When has Tom Brady EVER demanded a ton of money? Like, never. Not one time has he done that. If Brady is going to return, it's not for the money. It's for another chance to win a 7th SB championship. Of course he wants to get paid beyond peanuts (NFL peanuts is different than normal human peanuts), but he's smart - he knows that if he demands 30 million, the Pats won't have the resources to upgrade the roster and so it will be a likely futile attempt at a 7th title.

There's no evidence - and there never has been - that Brady will demand big dollars. None.

 

[ensoul]

Why on earth would you say that? When has Tom Brady EVER demanded a ton of money? Like, never. Not one time has he done that. If Brady is going to return, it's not for the money. It's for another chance to win a 7th SB championship. Of course he wants to get paid beyond peanuts (NFL peanuts is different than normal human peanuts), but he's smart - he knows that if he demands 30 million, the Pats won't have the resources to upgrade the roster and so it will be a likely futile attempt at a 7th title.

There's no evidence - and there never has been - that Brady will demand big dollars. None.

Brady has been taking under market deals for years and yes it has helped the team obviously. But after this season and belichick's failure to put any resemblance of weapons around him why would Brady not look for more money? I mean what has Brady's contract done to help the teams offense this year?

The way I look at it Brady has one last chance at a pay day because he only has one or two years left. Why would he not go for more money after being underpaid forever?

But I don't think it really matters at this point because Brady may very well play his last game in a Patriots uniform for Saturday night.

 

[Biffins]

23-3o million is a good target range

Makes sense. Hopefully Brady takes a discount again and sticks around at $25m

 

[Biffins]

Why on earth would you say that? When has Tom Brady EVER demanded a ton of money? Like, never. Not one time has he done that. If Brady is going to return, it's not for the money. It's for another chance to win a 7th SB championship. Of course he wants to get paid beyond peanuts (NFL peanuts is different than normal human peanuts), but he's smart - he knows that if he demands 30 million, the Pats won't have the resources to upgrade the roster and so it will be a likely futile attempt at a 7th title.

There's no evidence - and there never has been - that Brady will demand big dollars. None.

$25m isn’t big dollars when top contracts are $40m per year. It’s not even top 10.

 

[IllegalContact]

Would be nice but no way Brady is taking 18 million.

The number the comes to mind is between 25-30 million which will leave this team with no way to upgrade the TE or WR positions.

He never got 25-30M before, he ain’t getting it now