Brady named to NFL 100 All-Time team

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

And Florio's comment



Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees omitted from NFL’s all-time team


is asinine, particularly given the question marks about Brees as an outdoor QB in his own era.

Even more egregious, Florio came out with his own QB rankings of the 2010s earlier today. Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Brees, in that order. So Brees is 4th best QB of the decade, and he’s making a stink about him not being too 10 all-time? He has consistent recency bias; his “all-time” rankings last week were a joke, almost as pathetic as Chris Simms in a different way.

 

[Deus Irae]

No one saw Favre > Starr coming.

It's an insane choice. It makes no sense to have Starr outside the top 10 quarterbacks. If you're doing that, you're basically invalidating the entire NFL100 list.

You can live with a guy who should be a #7-#10 kind of guy like Young not making the cut. You can't live with a no doubt top 6 guy, at the game's most important position, not making it.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

BTW, for those wondering why I've so often championed Young and Starr as players who should be on the QB top 10, I submit this to you. Just remember that it came out in 2008, which is before Brady cemented his legacy as the G.O.A.T..

The definitive list: Top 10 NFL quarterbacks

We’ve had some discussions about this and have a general consensus re: Starr. Tremendous and inexplicable snub from this list. He’s an icon and major part of football history, and the QB position. Predictably everyone was up Johnny U’s rear end on the show, though Starr’s play was the reason the Packers, not the Colts, were the dynasty of the 60s. Wonder if Starr had passed away before the vote (May 2018 is when voting happened) he would have made it.

Young was amazing...I grew up with him as by far the best QB in football. Several factors hurt his chances, though. Short career/prime is the big one. Other is playing in the shadow of Montana. But he really did change the game as the dual threat QB who was also the most accurate passer. Not sure I’ve seen a QB as good a dual threat as Young. Elway wasn’t close as a passer.

 

[Zarozzor]

You HAVE to cut one of Favre, Marino, or Elway for Starr. He has to be in the top 10. I’d also cut one of those guys for Steve Young

 

[Zarozzor]

This comment from an actual delusional fan... unreal


Brees leads or is at least at the top of every statistically important passing category. It is obvious this list is not chosen based on actual on field play. You know, actually what playing the positions of QB better than anyone else.

It’s a popularity contest or the voters trying to seem like football hipsters by choosing someone from the 40’s. Who the **** is Sammy Baugh? If he is so important to the game why is this the first time over heard of him?

 

[primetime]

This comment from an actual delusional fan... unreal


Brees leads or is at least at the top of every statistically important passing category. It is obvious this list is not chosen based on actual on field play. You know, actually what playing the positions of QB better than anyone else.

It’s a popularity contest or the voters trying to seem like football hipsters by choosing someone from the 40’s. Who the **** is Sammy Baugh? If he is so important to the game why is this the first time over heard of him?

I don't think it's wrong to say Brees probably would have thrived in any era of NFL history or that Baugh, if teleported to 2019, would have had issues finding a role as a backup quarterback. But, like, we can't really test that and this is a TV show where people can learn about the history of the league so picking historical guys for the purposes of the show makes sense, even if I think this thread is underrating Brees quite a bit in an effort to make a point.

I'm shocked Favre made it over Starr for many reasons. (I would also put Rodgers above Favre, for what it's worth.) Young probably deserved it but the guys in the 8-14 range or so are all arguable and you had to drop some of them (Bradshaw, Young, Elway, Favre, Brees, Rodgers, etc. I'd probably take Young over Elway.

 

[Pape]

What's funny is, yall talk about Brees more than we do. Why are you soooooooooooooo damn insecure?

That is a bald faced lie

 

[RobertWeathers]

That’s pretty awesome!

I think all of us had Starr as a lock and not many saw Favre making it.

Marino and Favre > Bradshaw and Starr just goes to show this wasn’t all about championships. Two dynasty leading QBs with nine championships beaten out by two guys with a combined one championship. So all the Brees/Rodgers whiners have a steep hill to climb.

I thought the list was excellent...my only issue was Favre, but I understand it. He was considered to be the very best in the game for 5+ years. I just felt he was too reckless and that other QBs may have won more titles with those talented Packers teams; his gunslinging ways cost the team a lot of potential titles. Still glad he made it over the little twit Rodgers though.

Yea I thought about it more last night. He's kind of in the Marino category. He was a generational talent who had a long career and produced pretty much every year.

In the years Holmgren coached him he was the best.

 

[borg]

Shula the GM and Shula the coach really fu*#ed over Marino during an era when Dan the Man was clearly the best passer in the NFL

Unlike SF whose West Coast Offense created high % passing options for any QB who lined up behind their center, and a running attack the team could lean on at times, the Miami game plan was basic..... Marino laser 20 yards down field. Dan the Man was required to carry a one dimensional offense his entire career.
Just incredible Shula could never diversify his offense while both SF and Dallas were loaded at all the skill positions and bought any defensive piece necessary.

Shula had 17 years with Marino to make it work (pre cap) but failed every year.
BB retools his team every couple of years (under the cap) and hoists hardware every 3 years on average

 

[mosi]

Yes. Incredibly underrated but still retired with best QB rating. Clutch as Brady. Numerous iconic moments.

Could he throw the ball like Marino? No. But called his own plays and was an incredible leader. Dude belonged on the list...the outrage about Brees being snubbed is laughable. Starr is the one who an iconic all-time great.

Yeah, and honestly, every packers fan - including Rodgers and Favre- will tell you who the greatest Packers QB was. And yes, it is neither Rodgers or Favre.

 

[farn]

I understand the fascination, but if I had to start a team w either Young or Favre, I’d go Young.

 

[Doctor DDS]

I generally liked the list with the exception of Favre over Starr. Good combination of individual accolades and leading their teams to success. The massive changes in the game has unfortunately tricked too many newer fans into thinking that "their players" are better than they are due to their inflated numbers.

Brees and Rodgers are both 1st ballot HOFers but need more team success to move into the top 10. If Brees wins it all this year then his status jumps significantly.

 

[Clonamery]

I thought it was stupid that Otto Graham is on it, considering nobody who voted for the damn thing ever saw him play. Thought it was stupid that Favre was on it and Brees was not, considering Brees is clearly the better QB. More or less feel the same way about Marino.

But it doesn't ruin my day, I don't give a crap about the NFL and all their ******** nor their "lists". I'm just annoyed by the certain segment of Pats fans who circle the wagons to talk **** every time Drew eats a bowl of cereal or whatever.

I spent the entire year of 8th grade history with a teacher who played with Otto Graham. On and on, day after day, he went on about some guy I never heard of when at the time I thought Steve Grogan was the greatest QB (of all time.) The teacher had 5 Championships as a defensive tackle with the Browns so his bias made a bias of its own on my brain. I have to consider that the greatest NFL coach and Bill Belichick both considered him an all-time great but that might be bias, too. I'd rather share their opinion of him than your ignorance of him but I'm a bit of a snob with whom I share my groupthink with.

 

[Tony2046]

I spent the entire year of 8th grade history with a teacher who played with Otto Graham. On and on, day after day, he went on about some guy I never heard of when at the time I thought Steve Grogan was the greatest QB (of all time.) The teacher had 5 Championships as a defensive tackle with the Browns so his bias made a bias of its own on my brain. I have to consider that the greatest NFL coach and Bill Belichick both considered him an all-time great but that might be bias, too. I'd rather share their opinion of him than your ignorance of him but I'm a bit of a snob with whom I share my groupthink with.

I'm surprised you even responded to Robutthurt913. But I suspect you are a little late as the little Smurf defender has already ran off to pout elsewhere.

 

[Uncle Rico]

I spent the entire year of 8th grade history with a teacher who played with Otto Graham. On and on, day after day, he went on about some guy I never heard of when at the time I thought Steve Grogan was the greatest QB (of all time.) The teacher had 5 Championships as a defensive tackle with the Browns so his bias made a bias of its own on my brain.

I’m going to guess you mean this guy
John Kissell - Wikipedia

 

[Clonamery]

I'm surprised you even responded to Robutthurt913. But I suspect you are a little late as the little Smurf defender has already ran off to pout elsewhere.

I don't question someone's opinion of players that they've seen with their own eyes, but I will if you care not to research a player that you haven't.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Who the **** is Sammy Baugh? If he is so important to the game why is this the first time over heard of him?

Because the people who picked him actually know football and its history as opposed to being insecure bandwagoning pink hat New England Bradys fans who barely knew what a football even was before 2001-2004.

 

[Clonamery]

I’m going to guess you mean this guy
John Kissell - Wikipedia

Took me several weeks to even understand what he was saying. He was cleated (is that a word?) in the voice box in a goal line stand. His brothers all had a cup of coffee in the NFL, too.

 

[farn]

I generally liked the list with the exception of Favre over Starr. Good combination of individual accolades and leading their teams to success. The massive changes in the game has unfortunately tricked too many newer fans into thinking that "their players" are better than they are due to their inflated numbers.

Brees and Rodgers are both 1st ballot HOFers but need more team success to move into the top 10. If Brees wins it all this year then his status jumps significantly.

How many .500 or sub .500 do Brees teams have ? To pretend he is top 10 is laughable. People are cranky about calls : but in some of the biggest spots, he failed to score. And then crazy things happen. And we forget that in the huge spot - when all timers deliver - Brees didn’t.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Took me several weeks to even understand what he was saying. He was cleated (is that word?) in the voice box in a goal line stand. His brothers all had a cup of coffee in the NFL, too.

No one who went to Spring Street in the ‘70s will forget that voice. (Nor will they forget Miss Tebbetts, a second cousin of my father’s and sister to Birdie, the Sox catcher.).