Patriots Defense needs major work

[DaBruinz]

You think this defense will shut down the Colts..wake the F&#$% Up

Actually, YES, I do. The Colts team can't beat the Pats RUNNING the ball. Throwing, yes, but not running. And the Pats will focus on taking that away.

YOU need to wake the FU*K up. The Pats #1 defense gave up 14 points. 7 in the 1st half and 7 in the 2nd. Cassel and the #2 offense gave up a TD with the interception and the 2nd string defense gave up one.

I really wish people like yourself and PF1996 and STCJones would stfu, step back, and review the game in a sensible perspective instead of being idiots and making stupid claims based on changes in the schemes because the lead was so great.

The Pats were UP 42-7 AT THE HALF. The Pats did not run up the score like they could have. The Pats defense played almost the entire second half in a VANILLA PREVENT defense. They weren't bumping the receivers at the line or anything. And, in the 4th quarter, Santonio Thomas and LeKevin Smith were on the field with Jarvis Green.

So, while I am not thrilled at the Pats letting the Phins score 28 points, I put it in perspective. You yahoos who think you have a brain might want to step back and try it. You might actually become enlightened.

 

[dtbrks]

Sure, the defense needs some improvement, but believe it or not, so does the offense.

That's what teams try to do is improve everyweek and the pats D hasn't been perfect so far. But with Big Sey coming back and the LB's (colvin and thomas) getting healthy, they should improve.

 

[PatsRule]

Sure, the defense needs some improvement, but believe it or not, so does the offense.

That's what teams try to do is improve everyweek and the pats D hasn't been perfect so far. But with Big Sey coming back and the LB's (colvin and thomas) getting healthy, they should improve.

Well i guess I stimulated some thought that the D needs work 7 pages later I was right they do..End of story

 

[Jimke]

I don't know whether the Pats defense needs major work. I

think it is tough for the defense to remain focused when the

score is so one sided. I do think that the tackling was lousy in

today's game. On one running play the defense missed at least

half a dozen opportunities to tackle the running back.

 

[BingoBrown]

Can we agree the defense needs to get better..get off the koolaid be critical if you can..If the Patrs D does not improve there will be no superbowl anyone want to dispute that..

Why does the Defense need to get better when Pats are
outscoring their OPP. by 21 Pts a game?

 

[Rob0729]

I think the problem with our defense today was the soft schemes and lack of motivation. It concerns me about the defense not being able to stay motivated and get up when the Dolphins started to do things, but not hugely concerned at this point. The schemes were to not give up the big play. That is what you do when you have a 35 point lead at half time.

 

[PF1996]

Bill's take
By Mike Reiss, Globe Staff
MIAMI GARDENS, Fla. -- Comments from Bill Belichick's post-game press conference:

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

Opening statement
"Well, it was a good win today. I thought our team played well offensively, especially. We moved the ball and scored a lot of points. It's something we haven't done very much of down here, so it's good to feel that and experience that. Things tightened up there a little bit at the end, but we had a nice drive there, hit Wes [Welker] on that last touchdown, and I felt like we needed that. We didn't tackle very well defensively all day, particularly in the second half. A lot less than impressive. But overall, when you score those kind of points, you have a chance. The guys did a real good job offensively."

Doesn't sound like Bill was happy about the defensive effort in the second half.

Wait one damn minute. You mean the shoddy tackling wasn't on purpose to "avoid injury"? The shoddy tackling wasn't because the Pats were in a "prevent vanilla defense"? The shoddy tackling wasn't because the Pats had a large lead? The shoddy tackling didn't just occur in the second half but also happened in the first half while the game was still in doubt? Damn....you mean the homers are wrong? How shocking...not.

He didn't sound like he cared all that much. Basically a "this was a preseason game, the starters did well in the second half and then we cruised through the first half and they never had a chance."

The Patriots beat an undefeated team last week and played hugely well against the Chargers in the second week of the season. Their defense is one of the best in the league. Give it a rest, Chicken Littles.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new idiotic excuse to explain the Pats' defense shoddy play - Belichick considered this to be a "preseason game". Points for trying, not for logic.

Yeah, the Pats had nothing to do with stopping Brown on that pitch out, or the pressure on Lemon that made him fumble. Nope, all the fault of the Dolphins. You are a moron, and besides your little friend, everyone in this thread agrees.

If the Pats defense was as bad as you make it out to be, there would not have been a 35 point lead in the first half. Period. I'm sick of this crap.

Ah...the desperate tactic of those without a valid argument "everyone else agrees with me, you're in the minority"..
Newsflash: Validity isn't determined by popularity.

Pats did stop Brown on the pitchout but it was a dreadful playcall as the Dolphins had been running successfully right at the Pats. Pressure on Lemon didn't make Lemon fumble, he essentially dropped the ball.

What you fail to understand as you fall back on the homer refrain of "there was a 35 pt lead so this means the Pats D is good" is that the 35 pt lead was a consequence of the Dolphins awful offense and the Pats stellar offense. If the Dolphins had an average offense, they would have scored at least 21 in the first half. Also, the Pats would have scored LESS because they would have had fewer chances on offense. Thus, there wouldn't have been a 35 pt lead. Get it now??? If not, at least try to grasp this very simple concept. The Pats only play the Dolphins once more...they won't be seeing them in the playoffs.

Actually, YES, I do. The Colts team can't beat the Pats RUNNING the ball. Throwing, yes, but not running. And the Pats will focus on taking that away.

YOU need to wake the FU*K up. The Pats #1 defense gave up 14 points. 7 in the 1st half and 7 in the 2nd. Cassel and the #2 offense gave up a TD with the interception and the 2nd string defense gave up one.

LMFAO - you really are stupid if you honestly believe that the Pats D would stop the Colts playing as they did today. Manning isn't going to miss the wide open receivers as Lemon did today. Secondly, if the Dolphin's Oline can get Ronnie Brown 4.5 yards a carry, then you can bet that Addai will probably have close to 200 yards running behind Indy's Oline.

I really wish people like yourself and PF1996 and STCJones would stfu, step back, and review the game in a sensible perspective instead of being idiots and making stupid claims based on changes in the schemes because the lead was so great.

What stupid claims have I made? The Pats D was atrocious from the START of the game. This is a fact regardless of how much you continually ignore it.

The Pats were UP 42-7 AT THE HALF. The Pats did not run up the score like they could have. The Pats defense played almost the entire second half in a VANILLA PREVENT defense. They weren't bumping the receivers at the line or anything. And, in the 4th quarter, Santonio Thomas and LeKevin Smith were on the field with Jarvis Green.

LMFAO. You're too funny. The Pats weren't bumping receivers at ANY POINT during the game, not in the 1st qtr nor in the 2nd qtr. Again, you keep harping on the second half but the atrocious play occurred from the time the Pats' D stepped onto the field, when the majority of the starters were out there.

So, while I am not thrilled at the Pats letting the Phins score 28 points, I put it in perspective. You yahoos who think you have a brain might want to step back and try it. You might actually become enlightened.

translated: "I'm right and you're wrong, because I say so", with a 2nd grade insult thrown in for good measure. Yep, definitely a righty.

Why does the Defense need to get better when Pats are
outscoring their OPP. by 21 Pts a game?

Ah....well perhaps because all of the teams the Pats will play from now till the end of the season and in the playoffs aren't ATROCIOUS like the Dolphins. Therefore...it's unlikely that the Pats will outscore them by 21 points because the offenses of THOSE teams will HAVE THE BALL for LONG PERIODS and SCORE on the Pats Defense. Hope you can wrap your "brain" around the concept.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Wait one damn minute. You mean the shoddy tackling wasn't on purpose to "avoid injury"? The shoddy tackling wasn't because the Pats were in a "prevent vanilla defense"? The shoddy tackling wasn't because the Pats had a large lead? The shoddy tackling didn't just occur in the second half but also happened in the first half while the game was still in doubt? Damn....you mean the homers are wrong? How shocking...not.



Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new idiotic excuse to explain the Pats' defense shoddy play - Belichick considered this to be a "preseason game". Points for trying, not for logic.





Ah...the desperate tactic of those without a valid argument "everyone else agrees with me, you're in the minority"..
Newsflash: Validity isn't determined by popularity.

Pats did stop Brown on the pitchout but it was a dreadful playcall as the Dolphins had been running successfully right at the Pats. Pressure on Lemon didn't make Lemon fumble, he essentially dropped the ball.

What you fail to understand as you fall back on the homer refrain of "there was a 35 pt lead so this means the Pats D is good" is that the 35 pt lead was a consequence of the Dolphins awful offense and the Pats stellar offense. If the Dolphins had an average offense, they would have scored at least 21 in the first half. Also, the Pats would have scored LESS because they would have had fewer chances on offense. Thus, there wouldn't have been a 35 pt lead. Get it now??? If not, at least try to grasp this very simple concept. The Pats only play the Dolphins once more...they won't be seeing them in the playoffs.




LMFAO - you really are stupid if you honestly believe that the Pats D would stop the Colts playing as they did today. Manning isn't going to miss the wide open receivers as Lemon did today. Secondly, if the Dolphin's Oline can get Ronnie Brown 4.5 yards a carry, then you can bet that Addai will probably have close to 200 yards running behind Indy's Oline.



What stupid claims have I made? The Pats D was atrocious from the START of the game. This is a fact regardless of how much you continually ignore it.



LMFAO. You're too funny. The Pats weren't bumping receivers at ANY POINT during the game, not in the 1st qtr nor in the 2nd qtr. Again, you keep harping on the second half but the atrocious play occurred from the time the Pats' D stepped onto the field, when the majority of the starters were out there.



translated: "I'm right and you're wrong, because I say so", with a 2nd grade insult thrown in for good measure. Yep, definitely a righty.




Ah....well perhaps because all of the teams the Pats will play from now till the end of the season and in the playoffs aren't ATROCIOUS like the Dolphins. Therefore...it's unlikely that the Pats will outscore them by 21 points because the offenses of THOSE teams will HAVE THE BALL for LONG PERIODS and SCORE on the Pats Defense. Hope you can wrap your "brain" around the concept.

The fact is, almost every team that matters fears the Patriots defense. How'd LT do?

how'd Romo do?

 

[sebman2112]

Not to mention Refs stopped calling holding in the second half. The TD run at the end almost resulted in Rodney playing without a jersey. We missed tackles and let up on the intensity; that might be normal with a 35 point lead, who knows, nobody else gets them.

I can't remember which play it was but one of Miami's O-linemen pulled Rosevelt Colvin out of the play by the neck hole in his jersey....wasn't called.

 

[sebman2112]

2nd half=pre-season. I dont know how much easier I can make it for these dumb dumbs to understand. If you think that was the Pats true run defense get help.

Thanks, it's called playing soft.

I've noticed different posters talking about NE giving up a lot of underneath stuff during the Dolphins game. Um, they were giving the Dolphins the underneath stuff on purpose! You allow the opponent to move the ball but force them to eat up the clock doing so. Anyone who's actually played defense in their lives should know this.

Let's also not forget NE's defense isn't at full strength right now.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

If you wanna crown his ass, then crown him, but he is who we thought he was, and they are who we thought they were.

They guys that stole Denny Green's beer?

 

[Fencer]

NE's defense isn't at full strength right now.

One of the best players -- perhaps the single best player -- is out, as is the #3 guy on the depth chart at the same position. Almost everybody else is healthy.

By football standards, that IS full strength.

 

[Deus Irae]

For all those people spouting this "PANIC" nonsense, the team that was #1 on defense just gave up 31 points to Denver. It's time for you all to sit back, relax, and have a reasonable conversation about specific players or issues instead of the generalizations and inanities you've been posting so far. If you can't do that, you need to have a nice tall glass of shut the hell up.

 

[primetime]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new idiotic excuse to explain the Pats' defense shoddy play - Belichick considered this to be a "preseason game". Points for trying, not for logic.

The team they were playing was godawful horrendous and lost their best player, their running back, midway through the 3rd quarter. This was more or less a third preseason game; the wild formations in the second half on defense and the fact that few if any starters were playing should attest to that, as Belichick experimented and saw what he could get from his backups.

I hope that the sky doesn't hurt when it falls, though.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

For all those people spouting this "PANIC" nonsense, the team that was #1 on defense just gave up 31 points to Denver. It's time for you all to sit back, relax, and have a reasonable conversation about specific players or issues instead of the generalizations and inanities you've been posting so far. If you can't do that, you need to have a nice tall glass of shut the hell up.

Yeah, what he said :agree: for all the good it will do.

LOL

 

[shirtsleeve]

Wow. Really tough crowd around here lately.

To the point of the OP, yeah, he's a bit panicky and overhyped. And generalizations (sp?) never really cut it on this board. But he is right to be a bit nervous, imo. The linebackers are not setting the edge. The tackling has been spotty (even in the first half today). The cut-back run has been there against this D all year. Granted, the 'fins OL grabbed more shirts today than a bus full of teenagers at the Playboy Mansion. But that doesn't excuse the lack of penetration from the D line. There was scarce pressure on a young QB for the second week in a row. There also seems to be a lack of ferociousness in our secondary. There was a time when it was deemed suicidal to even attempt to catch a high hanging ball, especially in the middle, against this secondary. Lately, the rec'rs dont have that fear. The brutal hit is missing. This shrinks arms, and its not happening.

I really believe these deficiencies are partly the fault of the called scheme. Far too many one DL plays called by the coaches. I, for one, am not a fan of the 1-4-6 dime D on passing downs. The team has been playing a contain D for too many games now. I would really like to see a more aggressive game plan called next week.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

We could have won 100-0, with 20 sacks, 10 picks, and four defensive TDs, and BB wouldn't be happy after the game. He's not happy unless he's lifting the Lombardi, so I don't think you can really use him as a fair metric to judge by. Also, they gave up 21 points to "Chet" (it's Cleo) Lemon, with two of those scores in garbage time. The other 7 were defensive, but you'll never hear the ridiculous, stupid, "deploreable" sky-is-falling crowd mention that. The Patriots defense got destroyed by the Dolphins, what are we thinking by putting it in context.

Ahh, yeah, as I recall Chet Lemon was a pretty fair player for the Washington Senators....

 

[RayClay]

Wow. Really tough crowd around here lately.

To the point of the OP, yeah, he's a bit panicky and overhyped. And generalizations (sp?) never really cut it on this board. But he is right to be a bit nervous, imo. The linebackers are not setting the edge. The tackling has been spotty (even in the first half today). The cut-back run has been there against this D all year. Granted, the 'fins OL grabbed more shirts today than a bus full of teenagers at the Playboy Mansion. But that doesn't excuse the lack of penetration from the D line. There was scarce pressure on a young QB for the second week in a row. There also seems to be a lack of ferociousness in our secondary. There was a time when it was deemed suicidal to even attempt to catch a high hanging ball, especially in the middle, against this secondary. Lately, the rec'rs dont have that fear. The brutal hit is missing. This shrinks arms, and its not happening.

I really believe these deficiencies are partly the fault of the called scheme. Far too many one DL plays called by the coaches. I, for one, am not a fan of the 1-4-6 dime D on passing downs. The team has been playing a contain D for too many games now. I would really like to see a more aggressive game plan called next week.

It certainly doesn't put our best personnel on the field, does it?

 

[patsox23]

Here's some analysis. As much as we'd all like to see the D step up and improve their tackling, the worst this Defense has done to this point in the season is give up 21 points.

Cue: People whining about how "this won't cut it against the Colts."

Cue: Us smacking you down by pointing to the Cowboys.

Cue: People saying "The Cowboys aren't as prolific as the Colts."

Cue: Us smacking you down with point totals heading into this week.

Cue: People stammering.

Cue: Me Yawning.

 

[shirtsleeve]

It certainly doesn't put our best personnel on the field, does it?

Nope.

I really think that this is more of BB holding his cards close to his vest, but it does tend to create that uneasy feeling that is being witnessed here by the numerous threads about the D.