OT: Lamar Jackson

[thecore762]

Lamar is the Mahomes of 2018.
He is having an awesome year, if he keeps this up then they are probably bound the the SB, it’s hard to see any teams being able to stop their run game.
Still surprised KC beat them.

Either way next year teams will adapt and adjust to these running Qbs and Lamar needs to start throwing more.
Until then they will keep running the same offense.

Also Ingram and that offensive line have been a beast.

 

[fightingirish595]

Lamar is the Mahomes of 2018.
He is having an awesome year, if he keeps this up then they are probably bound the the SB, it’s hard to see any teams being able to stop their run game.
Still surprised KC beat them.

Either way next year teams will adapt and adjust to these running Qbs and Lamar needs to start throwing more.
Until then they will keep running the same offense.

Also Ingram and that offensive line have been a beast.

yes teams will likely adapt. They’ll figure out little nuances. The ravens aren’t Asking a whole lot of jackson as a passer right now but he’s getting the job done. As long as he keeps progressing he’ll be fine. He already has progressed since last season

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Look at the top rushing teams. RB by committee. Rookies, guys drafted after Rd1 1, late or udfa. And most have QBs that can make something happen in the run game themselves. Production can easily be replaced or you can get very similar for cheaper. Paying for big names, drafting RBs early isn't smart football. This isn't new (for some) go look through the history of the league. You can production anywhere.








Idk which salary would you rather pay?

 

[TB_Helmet]

Look at the top rushing teams. RB by committee. Rookies, guys drafted after Rd1 1, late or udfa. And most have QBs that can make something happen in the run game themselves. Production can easily be replaced or you can get very similar for cheaper. Paying for big names, drafting RBs early isn't smart football. This isn't new (for some) go look through the history of the league. You can production anywhere.

This first tweet is a bit disingenuous, if you relax the cutoff of 'top 25' a tiny bit you get the Patriots and probably some other teams.

Not that it matters, but it's a pretty contrived way to look at the data.

 

[fnordcircle]

This first tweet is a bit disingenuous, if you relax the cutoff of 'top 25' a tiny bit you get the Patriots and probably some other teams.

Not that it matters, but it's a pretty contrived way to look at the data.

Agree, the moment you see someone drawing an arbitrary line when they don't have to (just say 1st round RBs) it becomes clear they're doing so with a purpose.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Agree, the moment you see someone drawing an arbitrary line when they don't have to (just say 1st round RBs) it becomes clear they're doing so with a purpose.

According to this, first round running backs also include Michel (Pat 11-3) and Penny (Seahawks 11-3). Also Mark Ingram was drafted in the first round in 2011 and the Saints (who drafted him) and the Ravens (who have him now) are both great.

In fact, if you limit any position to the top 25 of the first round, you are by definition discounting the top 7 teams of the previous year, so a sample of those 25 teams is most likely going to result in a mostly bad teams!

Bad job Sportrac.

ETA I clicked on the tweet and the replies are all rightfully crushing him for this shoddy job.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

According to this, first round running backs also include Michel (Pat 11-3) and Penny (Seahawks 11-3). Also Mark Ingram was drafted in the first round in 2011 and the Saints (who drafted him) and the Ravens (who have him now) are both great.

In fact, if you limit any position to the top 25 of the first round, you are by definition discounting the top 7 teams of the previous year, so a sample of those 25 teams is most likely going to result in a mostly bad teams!

Bad job Sportrac.

ETA I clicked on the tweet and the replies are all rightfully crushing him for this shoddy job.

Just like the article he linked to “rebut” me which was written by a fan blogger with 4 total articles and was just another skewed set of selective data sampling.

I would have a lot more respect for @BaconGrundleCandy if he could just note that generally drafting a RB high is a bad value proposition, rather than making this into an absolute draft rule with no exceptions, which seems really misguided. But then again most of us have already acknowledged that RBs are in general a bad investment, so there would be nothing to grill us about beginning with “You’re a casual football fan...”

 

[primetime]

According to this, first round running backs also include Michel (Pat 11-3) and Penny (Seahawks 11-3). Also Mark Ingram was drafted in the first round in 2011 and the Saints (who drafted him) and the Ravens (who have him now) are both great.

In fact, if you limit any position to the top 25 of the first round, you are by definition discounting the top 7 teams of the previous year, so a sample of those 25 teams is most likely going to result in a mostly bad teams!

Bad job Sportrac.

ETA I clicked on the tweet and the replies are all rightfully crushing him for this shoddy job.

Penny and Michel have done jack **** all year though, so it's not like they're really rebutting the point. And Ingram is, you know, making the point given that the Saints let him go and didn't see any drop off when replacing him with journeyman Latavius Murray, and the Ravens signed him to a relatively cheap contract off the street.

Bit confused by the Redskins though, Guice was a 2nd rounder and Peterson was drafted by a different team.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Penny and Michel have done jack **** all year though, so it's not like they're really rebutting the point. And Ingram is, you know, making the point given that the Saints let him go and didn't see any drop off when replacing him with journeyman Latavius Murray, and the Ravens signed him to a relatively cheap contract off the street.

Bit confused by the Redskins though, Guice was a 2nd rounder and Peterson was drafted by a different team.

Well the point is that "if you draft a RB early you will have a bad record". And the fact that the Seahawks and Patriots both drafted RBs early refutes that point, regardless of their performance.

I do agree overall that teams should avoid taking an RB high. I'm just on my high horse ripping the tweet.

The bigger takehome from the tweet seems to be "If you draft in the top 25 of round 1, you are more likely to have a worse record than if you drafted in the bottom 7".

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Penny and Michel have done jack **** all year though, so it's not like they're really rebutting the point. And Ingram is, you know, making the point given that the Saints let him go and didn't see any drop off when replacing him with journeyman Latavius Murray, and the Ravens signed him to a relatively cheap contract off the street.

Bit confused by the Redskins though, Guice was a 2nd rounder and Peterson was drafted by a different team.

I think everyone is rebutting his absolute, ironclad rules about drafting running backs, while most everyone who follows the sport on a semi-deep level agrees that running backs are typically a commodity that can be replaced and in general it’s a bad idea to waste a high pick or break the bank for one.

 

[TB_Helmet]

I think everyone is rebutting his absolute, ironclad rules about drafting running backs, while most everyone who follows the sport on a semi-deep level agrees that running backs are typically a commodity that can be replaced and in general it’s a bad idea to waste a high pick or break the bank for one.

Yeah, I haven't read every post of this discussion but this seems like an excellent take-home message.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Penny and Michel have done jack **** all year though, so it's not like they're really rebutting the point. And Ingram is, you know, making the point given that the Saints let him go and didn't see any drop off when replacing him with journeyman Latavius Murray, and the Ravens signed him to a relatively cheap contract off the street.

Bit confused by the Redskins though, Guice was a 2nd rounder and Peterson was drafted by a different team.

Not to mention Ingram is part of a committee there even if he's the feature. And like you said they signed him to a cheap deal.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I think everyone is rebutting his absolute, ironclad rules about drafting running backs, while most everyone who follows the sport on a semi-deep level agrees that running backs are typically a commodity that can be replaced and in general it’s a bad idea to waste a high pick or break the bank for one.

Agreed which makes what you said days ago even funnier.

"You can really find a similar/better RB like Barkley anywhere? Really"?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Agreed which makes what you said days ago even funnier.

"You can really find a similar/better RB like Barkley anywhere? Really"?

It makes your stubbornness funnier. You totally miss the point again.

 

[TheAdultintheRoom]

No, there are about 5 running backs in the league right now that justify a first round pick. Barkley is one. Michel is most certainly not.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

No, there are about 5 running backs in the league right now that justify a first round pick. Barkley is one. Michel is most certainly not.

Don’t tell @BaconGrundleCandy this...he’ll see to it that you get s steady supply of Bleacher Reports blogs to disprove any RB is worth it. And he understands the game and the cap better than anyone.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Shocked that the Patriots rushing record by team might fall this season. Baltimore 336 yards shy of it with 2 games remaining. That record has stood for 41 years.

 

[203Pat]

No, there are about 5 running backs in the league right now that justify a first round pick. Barkley is one. Michel is most certainly not.

I agree he was worth a top 5 pick based off his talent. Based off where the Giants were as an organization at the time they took him I think it was a bad pick. They were in the beginning of a rebuild and drafted a guy who's prime will be winding down by the time that team starts trending up.

 

[50-yard-line]

Steve Young played until he was 38. He had 70 carries for nearly 500 yards at the age of 37.

John Elway averaged 50 carries for 300 yards per season over his career. He retired at 38.

Russell Wilson has never missed a game in his career.

Those three were also among the top 10 throwers the league has ever seen.

This is the thing about "running" QBs - like RBs, their careers are usually short. Also, the day-to-day pounding will affect other aspects of their game. Let's say Jackson's thigh is really hurting and it slows him down. How afraid of him are you now?

The three above could beat you from the pocket, or rolling out. Jackson can only beat you (at this point, I believe - maybe it will change as he seasons in) because you've have to fear - not respect, but fear - his running.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Carolina is really regretting that McCaffrey pick. If only they’d taken a defensive tackle they’d probably be 12-2.