NFL has suspended Josh Gordon indefinitely

[Joker]

I have no heart...you ,as a mod ,should know this...

 

[Drewski]

I have no heart...you ,as a mod ,should know this...

I'm not one kind sir.

I was a mod in the dying months of the PoFo and after I resigned my position and requested the role be removed from my account multiple times (and hasn't been removed to date) I just let it go.

I am not, nor have I ever been a mod here on the main board and don't act in such capacity. But I personally can't remove the role or the badge, so here it sits.

ETA - I am sure there are a lot of posters who would prefer to have me on their ignore lists, but can't because of the badge. For their sake, I hope this can be rectified someday.

 

[jah]

That’s the thing about drugs, the spectrum of dependence is incredibly large and complicated, and really varies from person to person.

I’ve never struggled with alcohol, or other heavy drugs of abuse (recreational amphetamine, cocaine, heroin/morphine/pharmaceutical opiates, benzodiazepines, etc). Nor have I struggled with nicotine because for whatever reason I’m extremely sensitive to it - it makes me lightheaded and dizzy in very small quantities.

My two drugs of choice over the years have been marijuana and Kratom. The weed was initially great, but changed after I developed depression and started to make me anxious, overly introspective, and a bit existential, discontented and disillusioned over longer periods of time. But it never caused any considerable physical dependence.

Kratom has been much better for my mood. It’s the best drug I’ve ever found for addressing all elements of my depression (pharmaceutical or otherwise) without many mood related side effects. But it’s much more physically heavy and is something I need to manage (in terms of dose quantity and frequency) very closely, because in higher doses it mimics the effects of opiates. From what I understand people use Kratom in quantities of 20-30g per day to get off of heavier opiates; I take 5-7g per day, and find it’s more of an energizing mood lift at lower doses, rather than a sedating PK. The pharmacology is a bit complicated but it’s a great AD at lower doses IME.

Neither of these drugs will cause you to spiral, and destroy your spirit, body and mind in the same way other drugs will. But they come with their own set of effects, challenges, and benefits.

So your point about the complexity and grey-area in this discussion of drug use and impact is well received, Reign.

Maybe I should check Kratom out instead of being a slave to the bong.

 

[venecol]

Neither of these drugs will cause you to spiral, and destroy your spirit, body and mind in the same way other drugs will. But they come with their own set of effects, challenges, and benefits.

Maybe, but can you at least get out of the fast lane when you're on them, you drive 10 mph below the acceptable speed. Jesus.

 

[IllegalContact]

Maybe I should check Kratom out instead of being a slave to the bong.

naaahhhh......weed is tight

even better when shared with others....grab some beers and go play frolf at borderlands in Sharon

 

[Drewski]

naaahhhh......weed is tight

even better when shared with others....grab some beers and go play frolf at borderlands in Sharon

 

[PatriotsReign]

That’s the thing about drugs, the spectrum of dependence is incredibly large and complicated, and really varies from person to person.

I’ve never struggled with alcohol, or other heavy drugs of abuse (recreational amphetamine, cocaine, heroin/morphine/pharmaceutical opiates, benzodiazepines, etc). Nor have I struggled with nicotine because for whatever reason I’m extremely sensitive to it - it makes me lightheaded and dizzy in very small quantities.

My two drugs of choice over the years have been marijuana and Kratom. The weed was initially great, but changed after I developed depression and started to make me anxious, overly introspective, and a bit existential, discontented and disillusioned over longer periods of time. But it never caused any considerable physical dependence.

Kratom has been much better for my mood. It’s the best drug I’ve ever found for addressing all elements of my depression (pharmaceutical or otherwise) without many mood related side effects. But it’s much more physically heavy and is something I need to manage (in terms of dose quantity and frequency) very closely, because in higher doses it mimics the effects of opiates. From what I understand people use Kratom in quantities of 20-30g per day to get off of heavier opiates; I take 5-7g per day, and find it’s more of an energizing mood lift at lower doses, rather than a sedating PK. The pharmacology is a bit complicated but it’s a great AD at lower doses IME.

Neither of these drugs will cause you to spiral, and destroy your spirit, body and mind in the same way other drugs will. But they come with their own set of effects, challenges, and benefits.

So your point about the complexity and grey-area in this discussion of drug use and impact is well received, Reign.

Each of us are different and so are our challenges. It took me 15 years of living sober to discover I have attention deficit disorder. I had been on Zoloft for a long time but realized depression wasn’t my issue. I also finally understood why I had self medicated so many years. I was trying to calm my racing mind & booze and cocaine were my meds of choice.

I tried Adderol but felt too buzzed, so I just chose to live with the way I am. It’s not that bad, but like you, I’m overly introspective and self-critical. So at least I’m fully aware of my shortcomings and I find it challenging to live with them.

learning to truly love yourself despite your shortcomings is actually a great journey. It’s all ok and each day I know everything is exactly as it should be. I think that’s called Acceptance and it’s a huge part of recovery

 

[PatriotsReign]

naaahhhh......weed is tight

even better when shared with others....grab some beers and go play frolf at borderlands in Sharon

Isn’t that in Easton?

 

[catent]

Maybe I should check Kratom out instead of being a slave to the bong.

I would really hesitate to recommend it to anyone (without knowing them fairly well) because it does come with risk of dependence and you really gotta check/manage yourself, but it's worked well for me.

There was a stretch from mid-Sept - early-Nov 2018 where I was taking the kratom on a fixed dosing schedule and not using any other drugs (besides whatever caffeine is in cherry coke lol) and that was probably the healthiest overall I've been physically and mentally in awhile.

Been smoking more regularly since the turn of the year and it's not really tanking me by any means, but I do feel like I'm running at about 90% of what I could be. Just less motivation/energy, little off my game. Notice it mostly with tasks/hobbies that involve more committed/long-term focus. Harder for me to invest for extended periods of time in playing guitar and OSRS without getting restless/bored. But cannabis is so mild that it's hard to totally kick it, easy to sip the binger when with some pals and not really think twice about.

 

[Drewski]

Isn’t that in Easton?

Its in both towns, part of the park is in Southern Sharon.

 

[shmessy]

I'm addicted to Metformin, Verapamil,Lisinopril and Furosemide...that's right, I'm an old pr!ck.

Well in that case, why are you futzing with THAT **** when you should be on Viagara?

.

 

[IllegalContact]

Isn’t that in Easton?

it is, but the main parking is technically in sharon

 

[Triumph]

So sex addiction is why Brown reportedly acted like a complete ass in a court hearing about throwing furniture out a window and continuously going off on Twitter about how everything in his life is the fault of everyone else?

Im no Doctor, but it sounds like blue balls.

 

[captain stone]

I'm addicted to Metformin, Verapamil, Lisinopril and Furosemide...that's right, I'm an old pr!ck.

I'm hooked on Lisinopril too, as well as Metoprolol, Atorvastatin & Hydrochlorothiazide...

...and weed...

...and big boobies...

 

[Drewski]

I'm hooked on Lisinopril too, as well as Metoprolol, Atorvastatin & Hydrochlorothiazide...

...and weed...

...and big boobies...

Big boobies and those meds are dangerous combo.

Mix safely my friends.

 

[Joker]

Well in that case, why are you futzing with THAT **** when you should be on Viagara?

.

"Viagara Falls...slowly I turned...step by step...."

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

On a personal note, I identify with Gordon’s struggles because I am also an addict. It’s that simple. I’m fortunate in that I no longer suffer from active substance addiction.

As a matter of fact, it was 30 years since my last drink/drug last week. I don’t say that to brag but so that other members can see it is possible. I am no more deserving of sobriety than the millions still suffering. It’s something I have to deal with as long as I’m above ground.

So I understand in a very personal way exactly what Josh feels, thinks and experiences. I understand how he can put all his strength and effort into being a better person only to fail time after time. I also know well the lack of self esteem that results from letting everyone down...especially myself.

I know what it feels like to feel like a loser and wonder why I’m different than most. The worst feeling I experienced was coming to realization I was going to die young or just be a bum.

I also know how it feels to be freed from addiction and slowly rebuild my life. To see how people look at me differently today is worth more than money can buy.

The bottom line for me is that I believe Josh is a good guy and I know he can experience what I’ve experienced.

I can’t criticize, mock or joke about him because he’s just like me. But I’m sure people mocked and made jokes about me as well. But thankfully I don’t recall that happening

People should really read this post in case you missed it. Only other addicts can truly understand what Gordon is going though, though many of us who aren’t addicts have loved ones who are. The point is that this is a genetic disease, just like any other disease. People who have it are often ashamed because, think about, it is one of the worst diseases imaginable having to live this way and feeling the shame and embarrassment, particularly when probably >50% of the population thinks it’s a choice, lack of maturity, selfishness, etc.

Congrats on your sobriety @PatriotsReign . That’s a great story to hear about your battle and never letting up.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

If we or Seattle wins the super bowl, does Gordon get a ring?

 

[IcyPatriot]

People also ask:
What is the side effect of lisinopril?

Side Effects. Dizziness, lightheadedness, tiredness, or headache may occur as your body adjusts to the medication. Rooting for the Jete may also occur. If rooting for the Jete gets worse, tell your doctor or PatsFans members promptly.

 

[TB_Helmet]

If we or Seattle wins the super bowl, does Gordon get a ring?

I’d be shocked if we didn’t give him one when we won this year.

ETA if you start typing something on this forum and get distracted, then come back hours later to type something else....make sure you delete your first draft!