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Could the PATS D produce a "shutdown" performance if necessary?

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People are pointing out that there are "holes" and "softness" in the Pats defense. I know it's been pretty good overall, but we've given up a 2-3 touchdowns per game to some decent offensive teams. We've seen sustained drives from SD, Buffalo, Dallas resulting in 7 points.

Some are nervous because this is not the "shutdown D" we've seen the Pats flash in other years when we would have to win some games 9-0, 12-0, 13-7, or some tight game where we needed a tough stops in crunch time, or to manufacture a critical turnover.

But, we haven't been tested at all this way. You really have to adjust for situational football to assess our D. The offense has been playing so well, so early in games means the D is way ahead much of the time by halftime or before. OK, now you're BB/Dean Pees. What is the optimal strategy in that situation? You clearly reorient to avoid big plays, allow short passes, don't cheat to go for a risky interception, even allow sustained drives that look like someone is going up and down the field, as long as they chew a lot of clock.

Analogy to baseball: A pitcher pitches very differently when he has a 7 run lead than a 1 run lead. Throw strikes, avoid walks and big innings at all costs. That's why you sometimes see a pitcher up by 7 runs give up a couple of solo home runs but still win 7-2. Big deal--you're way better off doing this than walking 3 guys by nibbling and then losing in a big inning.

Pats are smart enough to adjust this way. It's not necessarily a bad thing, and it gives the best chance to win the game. Colts have been optimized to play this way for years, it's just newer to us around here.

So here's the question: If/when our O has an off day, and we need to play a tougher, or "'riskier" form of D where you optimize around not allowing the opponent to score 10, can we do it? I think we COULD do a shutdown if we needed to, but we will need to see it in live game conditions.
 
No.

No defense could.

Changing rules that allow for an easier passing game have given offenses a big advantage.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect even an all-pro-bowler defense to be able to shut down the best offenses.
 
i think our D can handle it...and i dont think we will find out for sure until the offseason
 
No.

No defense could.

Changing rules that allow for an easier passing game have given offenses a big advantage.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect even an all-pro-bowler defense to be able to shut down the best offenses.

Napolian and others have tinkered with a 88 year history of the game to the point where defense just isn't the same anymore.

It is not about the Pats, it is about OLines being able to hold all the want, like the Dolts OL or Dallas. It is about referees being cowered into calling games to favor offenses. It is about CBs not being able to do anything except get the hell out of the way for fear of a penalty. It is about not being able to hit the QB high or low, or in between, if he is getting rid of the ball.

Yeah, the Pats defense is a work in progress this year, and so is our offense. The team is still learning each other out. Unlike a lot of teams, we undergo huge changes in the offseason most years.

We only have one or two games on the schedule where our defense will be put to the test of trying to keep the game close.
 
Napolian and others have tinkered with a 88 year history of the game to the point where defense just isn't the same anymore.

It is not about the Pats, it is about OLines being able to hold all the want, like the Dolts OL or Dallas. It is about referees being cowered into calling games to favor offenses. It is about CBs not being able to do anything except get the hell out of the way for fear of a penalty. It is about not being able to hit the QB high or low, or in between, if he is getting rid of the ball.

Yeah, the Pats defense is a work in progress this year, and so is our offense. The team is still learning each other out. Unlike a lot of teams, we undergo huge changes in the offseason most years.

We only have one or two games on the schedule where our defense will be put to the test of trying to keep the game close.


the free holding going on these days is a huge part of how hard it is to shutdown an offence. Watch the cowboy game, they could not move the ball at all till they started holding. Jarvis Green was abusing the Cowboys Left tackle like he was a rental car.

Pitt did shutout Seattle. I didn't see the game but 0 is 0

One thing I'll say about the pats D....when it comes time to take it up a notch they do.
-When San deigo got the fumble and had some momentum the D sacked them twice and put them in 3rd and 30.
-When Dallas had the long kick off return tot he NE 23, the defence held them to just a FG....and there was no flags on that drive.
 
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i think we are very capable of having the best defense..shutting the colts down like we did when we had Ty Law around. talents there..coaching is there. execution isnt. people are missing too many tackles..not swarming to the ball..and were nto getting enough pressure from front 7.
 
You could very well see a shutout against Miami.
 
If I understand your point correctly, let me rephrase the question:

If our offense was average would our defense play well enough to win a chamionship.

My answer is absolutely yes.
 
This team is so very good because it may have both the best offense AND the best defense in the NFL. This team is quite capable of shutting down opponents if necessary.
 
I do not see the evidence that we have the best D in the NFL or even the 2nd best. I do think we're well within the Top 10.
 
I do not see the evidence that we have the best D in the NFL or even the 2nd best. I do think we're well within the Top 10.

Top 5, IMO.

2nd in YPG
4th in Passing YPG
5th in Rushing YPG

And the most important one:

6th in Points Allowed 15.3
 
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Yes,and it will only improve. It always has under BB,the later in the year the better the D plays. It seems that it take until Nov. orDec. until it finally runs on all cylinders.
 
I don't think the Pats have ever had a real shutdown defense, except perhaps in games played outdoors in Northeastern winters.

Look at their indoor or warm-weather post-season games in the BB era. Has there been a single one where they've given up fewer than 17 points? I'm guessing the average of the points they've given up in such games is in the 20s.
 
No - they could not.

The thought that they could hold an offense like the Cowboys to, say, 3 points for the final 25 minutes of a game is ludicrous.

Oh, no wait, actually its not - that's exactly what happened a few days ago.

Wow! Are people's memories really that short?
 
I do not see the evidence that we have the best D in the NFL or even the 2nd best. I do think we're well within the Top 10.


First half points allowed by the New England defense

Jets: 7
S.D.: 0
Bills: 7
Bengals: 7
Browns: 0
Cowboys: 10 (+7 via the offensive fumble)


I'd say that's some pretty good evidence about this defense. It's not giving up points until the game plan changes, for the most part.
 
If we aren't one of the best defenses, who are these supposed defenses who are better? Anyone who thinks that Tampa Bay, Washington or Tennessee has a better defense than us is crazy and I wouldn't necessarily take the Steelers or Jaguars D over ours either.
 
I think the Pats have the ability to shut down almost every team in the NFL if needed.

I do believe the days of the Ty Law defense in NE are over vs. Indy.
 
I do not see the evidence that we have the best D in the NFL or even the 2nd best. I do think we're well within the Top 10.
What are you using for evidence? Points allowed or yards allowed?
 
Our defense is better than anything in the NFC. We just held the best offense in the NFC to two offensive TDs.

And that was without Richard.

Our defense is better than the Colts', Ravens', or Chargers'. Is it better than Pittsburgh's? Maybe not. Does it have to be? Probably not.

Can it be that good with Richard back out there? Probably, but who really cares to split that hair when you're scoring almost 40 points a game?
 
i agree...we wont anytime soon find out how good our D really is, but if i had to guess, i would say it can rise to the occasion..

also, i do NOT think the ty law defense agaisnt indy days are over...i think they are just about to begin again
 
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