Schefter: Just based on the facts...Brady thinking/setting up to leave NE

[luuked]

On the TEs, I just don't get why BB is keeping both Izzo and LaCosse. At one point a lot of posters said BB felt they were both better than having Ben (youth, cap). I don't get that at all. I see Ben like Harrison's last season with Pats. Guy has one more year left in him before retiring.

As everyone else I can't give you the why but whatever they saw in LaCosse initially must have made them project him into a role that they feel very good about and still do. And now maybe he will have time to get healthy.

Generally BB is not one that gives players infinite time to get back. Can't make the club out of the tub, right ? So there is something they must like about him.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Let’s not ignore costs of assembling elite pieces/ weapons for the offense. Quality TEs are a rare commodity that rarely if ever shake loose from NFL teams and are usually scarce by the time NE drafts at #32. Elite WRs without warts cost $15+ mill per year but touch the ball on an average of 6 times per game. And pedestrian LTs that flash for a year get record contracts.
On the other side of the ball Bill has being collecting short term veteran quality at reasonably low cost. Collins, KVN, McCourty #2, etc.
Bill is getting value in the D market when none exists in the O market.
It’s not as if Bill is ignoring the offense.... #1’s at LT, RB, and WR in the past 3 drafts
Injuries are the issue

Not trying to nitpick but this is false for the most part. Lately we've seen guys like Engram, Howard, Njoku, Hurst go Rd1 but some of the best in the game are all after Rd1. Gronk, Kittle, Walker, Goedert, Ertz etc all post Rd1 guys.

It's a position that usually takes a few years to really excel at. So much more physical, most are asked to do more since they won't be able to use their athleticism like they have in the past.

Bill has said besides QB it's the toughest role to grasped, at least on offense. Unqiue position. Should take a really special player (TE) to make you take them Rd1.

 

[venecol]

I don't think Marcellus is a hater, and his take seems credible, knowing the way BB operates:




Why Ex-NFL DE Thinks Bill Belichick Has Issue With Tom Brady Amid Talk Of QB’s Future

 

[SBLIII]

I don't think Marcellus is a hater, and his take seems credible, knowing the way BB operates:




Why Ex-NFL DE Thinks Bill Belichick Has Issue With Tom Brady Amid Talk Of QB’s Future

Nothing outlandish there. I think Belichick will move on from Brady next year. Keeping Brady was still very much worth it though as we went to 2 straight SBs and JG10 isn't exactly killing it.

 

[shmessy]

I don't think Marcellus is a hater, and his take seems credible, knowing the way BB operates:




Why Ex-NFL DE Thinks Bill Belichick Has Issue With Tom Brady Amid Talk Of QB’s Future

Yes, but the other side is how is Jarrett Stidham looking????? Further, Jimmy G is not having a better season so far than Brady. Not even close.

For all BB’s favorite saying at Brady during practices of ‘Bringing in Johnny from Foxboro High ‘ the other side of the coin is when it comes to “Put up or shut up, Bb” does he actually have someone better to use for a replacement?

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[SBLIII]

Yes, but the other side is how is Jarrett Stidham looking????? Further, Jimmy G is not having a better season so far than Brady. Not even close.

For all BB’s favorite saying at Brady during practices of ‘Bringing in Johnny from Foxboro High ‘ the other side of the coin is does he actually have someone better to use for a replacement?

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yeah but it isn't exactly who is better now but also projecting future production and production per dollar.

If you can get slightly worse production for a lot less money and put other pieces on the roster BB will do it

 

[Soliel]

Moving on from Brady is not a good idea for now or next year.

 

[shmessy]

yeah but it isn't exactly who is better now but also projecting future production and production per dollar.

If you can get slightly worse production for a lot less money and put other pieces on the roster BB will do it

BB needs to get UP to “slightly worse” for that to happen. He got close with Jimmy G 2 years ago before Kraft thankfully (in hindsight) reportedly cut that cord.

 

[Wordsmyth]

I don't think Marcellus is a hater, and his take seems credible, knowing the way BB operates:




Why Ex-NFL DE Thinks Bill Belichick Has Issue With Tom Brady Amid Talk Of QB’s Future

WTF does Wiley know--about anything?

 

[Biffins]

I don't think Marcellus is a hater, and his take seems credible, knowing the way BB operates:




Why Ex-NFL DE Thinks Bill Belichick Has Issue With Tom Brady Amid Talk Of QB’s Future

Nice theory Wiley, except Brady is not in decline. I will post stats shortly

 

[borg]

Moving on from Brady is not a good idea for now or next year.

Seeing this quality D destroy newbie QB after newbie QB this year, destroying Goff in the SB last year..... why would BB ever prefer to start his own newbie when he has an .800 QB who just wants some long term love and security.

It’s a staring contest that Kraft will put an end to if Brady doesn’t retire

 

[denverpatsfan]

Would have been nice to have drafted Jackson. New QB. New style of play. Would have been ready to go without Brady. You all will be singing his praises after next Sunday night...

Dunno who the future QB is here?

 

[Biffins]

I don't think Marcellus is a hater, and his take seems credible, knowing the way BB operates:




Why Ex-NFL DE Thinks Bill Belichick Has Issue With Tom Brady Amid Talk Of QB’s Future

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
2019 New England Patriots 7 273 180 65.9 39.0 1,992 7.3 284.6 11 4.0 4 1.5 58T 32 3 10 73 94.8
2018 New England Patriots 16 570 375 65.8 35.6 4,355 7.6 272.2 29 5.1 11 1.9 63T 53 8 21 147 97.7
2017 New England Patriots 16 581 385 66.3 36.3 4,577 7.9 286.1 32 5.5 8 1.4 64T 62 10 35 201 102.8
2016 New England Patriots 12 432 291 67.4 36.0 3,554 8.2 296.2 28 6.5 2 0.5 79T 45 8 15 87 112.2
2015 New England Patriots 16 624 402 64.4 39.0 4,770 7.6 298.1 36 5.8 7 1.1 76T 58 12 38 225 102.2
2014 New England Patriots 16 582 373 64.1 36.4 4,109 7.1 256.8 33 5.7 9 1.5 69T 44 8 21 134 97.4
2013 New England Patriots 16 628 380 60.5 39.2 4,343 6.9 271.4 25 4.0 11 1.8 81T 49 8 40 256 87.3
2012 New England Patriots 16 637 401 63.0 39.8 4,827 7.6 301.7 34 5.3 8 1.3 83T 57 8 27 182 98.7
2011 New England Patriots 16 611 401 65.6 38.2 5,235 8.6 327.2 39 6.4 12 2.0 99T 71 14 32 173 105.6
2010 New England Patriots 16 492 324 65.9 30.8 3,900 7.9 243.8 36 7.3 4 0.8 79T 53 9 25 175 111.0
2009 New England Patriots 16 565 371 65.7 35.3 4,398 7.8 274.9 28 5.0 13 2.3 81T 43 12 16 86 96.2
2008 New England Patriots 1 11 7 63.6 11.0 76 6.9 76.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 26 1 0 0 0 83.9
2007 New England Patriots 16 578 398 68.9 36.1 4,806 8.3 300.4 50 8.7 8 1.4 69T 56 15 21 128 117.2
2006 New England Patriots 16 516 319 61.8 32.2 3,529 6.8 220.6 24 4.7 12 2.3 62T 46 8 26 175 87.9
2005 New England Patriots 16 530 334 63.0 33.1 4,110 7.8 256.9 26 4.9 14 2.6 71 59 9 26 188 92.3
2004 New England Patriots 16 474 288 60.8 29.6 3,692 7.8 230.8 28 5.9 14 3.0 50 52 10 26 162 92.6
2003 New England Patriots 16 527 317 60.2 32.9 3,620 6.9 226.2 23 4.4 12 2.3 82T 44 8 32 219 85.9
2002 New England Patriots 16 601 373 62.1 37.6 3,764 6.3 235.2 28 4.7 14 2.3 49T 37 3 31 190 85.7
2001 New England Patriots 15 413 264 63.9 27.5 2,843 6.9 189.5 18 4.4 12 2.9 91T 32 6 41 216 86.5

Yards per game of 286 in 2019 would rank in-line with most stuff from last 10 years. Keep in mind Brady stops throwing in 4th Q since we're having blowout wins. This isn't like 2007 after Spygate where Pats kept throwing all the way.

Yards per Attempt of 7.3 would be higher than 2013 and 2014 but marginally lower than other years. Nothing crazy.

Passing offense rank is #5.

Basically passing volume is still good. Efficiency is ok. Both those are slightly above and slightly below 10 years average. Nothing crazy here. Decline implies a significant drop off. Considering the drop-off in talent from last year (Gronk in particular, who averaged 17 yard per target and a QBR of 120 or something whenever Brady targetted him) the rest performance might even have improved.

 

[SBLIII]

Would have been nice to have drafted Jackson. New QB. New style of play. Would have been ready to go without Brady. You all will be singing his praises after next Sunday night...

Dunno who the future QB is here?

uncertainty about how long Brady would keep playing prevented it imo.

 

[Zuma]

Would have been nice to have drafted Jackson. New QB. New style of play. Would have been ready to go without Brady. You all will be singing his praises after next Sunday night...

Dunno who the future QB is here?

A running QB? I'm fine with not doing that.

 

[SBLIII]

A running QB? I'm fine with not doing that.

Dualthreat QBs are the future of football.

 

[luuked]

Would have been nice to have drafted Jackson. New QB. New style of play. Would have been ready to go without Brady. You all will be singing his praises after next Sunday night...

Dunno who the future QB is here?

I think we got enough running backs. A QB is what we want.

 

[Zuma]

Dualthreat QBs are the future of football.

The safest place for a HOF QB is behind a strong Offensive line.

 

[luuked]

Dualthreat QBs are the future of football.

Jackson is not a dual threat QB. Watch Watson, Mahomes or even Wilson pass the ball and then check out cuts (and not only highlights) of the last 4-5 games of Jackson.

He has a looooong way to go as a passer. Until he gets there in terms of consistency and accuracy he remains a running threat for this most part.

 

[SBLIII]

The safest place for a HOF QB is behind a strong Offensive line.

how about a DT QB behind a strong OL?