Schefter: Just based on the facts...Brady thinking/setting up to leave NE

[Biffins]

Dualthreat QBs are the future of football.

And always will be.......

 

[venecol]

Continuous success has it's downfalls and having an entitled, unappreciative segment of your fan base is most certainly a part of it.

Tom Brady has given this franchise 20 years, 80,000 yards, 600+ TD's, 9 Super Bowl appearances and 6 Super Bowl wins. He has earned the right to retire a Patriot.

Tom Brady has earned the right to do whatever the f.uu.c.k he wants to do, regardless of what his fan base thinks or wants.

 

[SBLIII]

Tom Brady has earned the right to do whatever the f.uu.c.k he wants to do, regardless of what his fan base thinks or wants.

certainly and BB has earned the same right. If he wants to move on from Brady, we should support that move.

 

[shmessy]

Tom Brady has earned the right to do whatever the f.uu.c.k he wants to do, regardless of what his fan base thinks or wants.

Not how it works.

Kraft (owner) and the fans (customers), along with Belichick (HC) are all higher on the totem pole.

To Brady's credit, he fully understands that.

Brady has the right to remain a Patriot if the Patriots want him, go FA or retire.

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[venecol]

Can any bozo who actually believes that BB is sabotaging Brady's season despite signing players like Sanu or AB please like or upvote the original post so we can simplify the "ignore posters" procedure here ?

Because this is just laughable.

I mean when the post has the following sentence in it; clearly it was intended to be funny, no? Lmao

In a final act of humiliation, Bill will have TB12 facilities shuttered at Gillette forcing Brady to train with the team, while Guerrero peddles faux scrimshaw down in P-town.

 

[Soliel]

Just watch what happens to the running trashcan from cleaveland

 

[shmessy]

Just watch what happens to the running trashcan from cleaveland

Catch me up here. Who is the running trash can from Cleveland????

 

[Soliel]

Catch me up here. Who is the running trash can from Cleveland????

How many players does Cleaveland have?

 

[NYCPATS4LIFE]

Not how it works.

Kraft (owner) and the fans (customers), along with Belichick (HC) are all higher on the totem pole.

To Brady's credit, he fully understands that.

Brady has the right to remain a Patriot if the Patriots want him, go FA or retire.

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I am sure the majority of fans would love brady back if he can play at a super bowl level. They’re not ready for stidham yet if he’s the guy. People will look at his tds or whateva and feel he’s done but brady has never been a stats padder. All he care about is the W.

 

[Soliel]

https://www.amazon.com/r2d2-trash-can/s?k=r2d2+trash+can

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Tom Brady has earned the right to do whatever the f.uu.c.k he wants to do, regardless of what his fan base thinks or wants.

Since the team down in Foxboro is the New England Patriots and not the New England Bradys, he has earned no such right. If the football people come to believe the team is better served by Brady not retiring with NE, I don't give a **** what Brady wants. And certainly don't want him remaining with the team to the detriment of the team so that a dewy-eyed Kraft can see his "fifth son" retire with the team no matter what.

Obviously, I greatly prefer that Brady decides to retire at or before the point the football people think it's time to move on from him. But if push comes to shove, I want to see the football people winning that fight.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Remember the last time we had dewy eyed Kraft, he signed Drew Bledsoe for ~$100M.
Miraculously Brady won the SB so BB was able to disabuse Bobby of his then stepson.

 

[shmessy]

https://www.amazon.com/r2d2-trash-can/s?k=r2d2+trash+can

Btw, LOVE the avatar!

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[MainePatsFan26]

Let’s not ignore costs of assembling elite pieces/ weapons for the offense. Quality TEs are a rare commodity that rarely if ever shake loose from NFL teams and are usually scarce by the time NE drafts at #32. Elite WRs without warts cost $15+ mill per year but touch the ball on an average of 6 times per game. And pedestrian LTs that flash for a year get record contracts.
On the other side of the ball Bill has being collecting short term veteran quality at reasonably low cost. Collins, KVN, McCourty #2, etc.
Bill is getting value in the D market when none exists in the O market.
It’s not as if Bill is ignoring the offense.... #1’s at LT, RB, and WR in the past 3 drafts
Injuries are the issue

That's a good take. It does seem Bill sees the value out there with special teams and defense in terms of dollars spent versus return on investment. That's probably why more of his draft picks are going for offensive players -- you can pay them little and then let them walk barring them being a once in a generation talent.

 

[venecol]

Since the team down in Foxboro is the New England Patriots and not the New England Bradys, he has earned no such right. If the football people come to believe the team is better served by Brady not retiring with NE, I don't give a **** what Brady wants. And certainly don't want him remaining with the team to the detriment of the team so that a dewy-eyed Kraft can see his "fifth son" retire with the team no matter what.

Obviously, I greatly prefer that Brady decides to retire at or before the point the football people think it's time to move on from him. But if push comes to shove, I want to see the football people winning that fight.

That's all fine and Dandy, but his contract has him in the driver's seat, not the football people. Here are the options:

1. Patriots want Brady to stay, make him an offer, he accepts, they sign an extension;
2. Patriots want Brady to stay, make him an offer, he doesn't accept, walks or retires;
3. Brady decides to retire, period, regardless of what Pats want;
4. Brady walks into FA upon end of season, shops around, either decides to sign with another team or to retire.

The common theme is all of these decisions are up to Brady. He was smart enough to have team waive the franchise tag. He is free to do whatever the f.u.ucc.k he wants.

 

[patfanken]

I get what you are saying but a lot more college concepts are being implemented into the NFL and these type of QBs are a lot more common than in the past.

You know your comment about college football concepts being implemented more and more into the NFL got me thinking about the RPO's and the college passing game.

Remember when college passing attacks including RPO's along with the "next generation" of college QB's started entering the league. We all thought that 70-80 total point games would be the norm and 500 yd passing games would become almost common place.

The sound you hear in the background is the pendulum swinging back into place and getting to 20 is becoming hard again in the NFL. Think about it. Just 2 years ago, the Pats and Eagles were finishing up a superbowl where almost 80 points were scored and the guy who LOST threw for over 500 yds in a non-overtime game. By the time the NEXT superbowl rolled around BB broke the code on the highest scoring offense in the league, and the crash happened just that fast. As good as our defense is, IIRC SF's has allowed FEWER points, and there are other good defenses as well. That's NOT a coincidence

And as to the RPO, I'd stop it in a nano second the same way the triple option, Houston Veer, and all the other forebears of the RPO ended. You simply cut it off at the head, by nailing the QB every chance you get.

Back in the late 70's, early 80's when options were the rage in HS's and colleges, we determined the easiest way to stop it was to force the QB to pitch as soon as possible, preferably by hitting him at the mesh point or as close as you could get to it. Having your DE/OLB planting his facemask into the chest of the QB even when he handed it off changed more offensive strategies than trying to "string it out". The faster the hand off or pitch happened the faster your defense could react.

On every play you'd assign 2 guys to the run, one to the QB, and one to the pitch man, and THEN you'd disguise those responsibilities on almost every play to further confuse the reads. But ONE rule ALWAYS was paramount. The QB ended the play on his back no matter who wound up with the ball.

Eventually the same will be true for the RPO. It is still rare to get a man in the QB's face when he makes the mesh, so the QB is still getting most of his QB protections as a passer. But eventually defenses will be getting there quicker and when that happens the QB will be fair game, and teams aren't going to like having their $35MM/yr man getting his bell rung 4 or 5 times a game, and new, safer, concepts will become the rage.

It's one thing to have these Mike Leech passing offenses in college where the only investment is a scholarship, and there might be 6 or 8 NFL caliber players on each division 1 squad. It's another when EVERY player is good enough to make a close to a million a year and your QB is your most important asset.

Just a thought.

 

[mgteich]

Isn't there a five?

5. Patriots don't want Brady to stay, and Brady can do what he what he wants elsewhere.

So, in this case, it is up to the Patriots.

The obvious bottom line is that Brady will play here next year if the Patriots and Brady come to an agreement. One can consider this as neither having complete control. The future is up to BOTH, just as they agreed to last year.

That's all fine and Dandy, but his contract has him in the driver's seat, not the football people. Here are the options:

1. Patriots want Brady to stay, make him an offer, he accepts, they sign an extension;
2. Patriots want Brady to stay, make him an offer, he doesn't accept, walks or retires;
3. Brady decides to retire, period, regardless of what Pats want;
4. Brady walks into FA upon end of season, shops around, either decides to sign with another team or to retire.

The common theme is all of these decisions are up to Brady. He was smart enough to have team waive the franchise tag. He is free to do whatever the f.u.ucc.k he wants.

 

[luuked]

That's all fine and Dandy, but his contract has him in the driver's seat, not the football people. Here are the options:

1. Patriots want Brady to stay, make him an offer, he accepts, they sign an extension;
2. Patriots want Brady to stay, make him an offer, he doesn't accept, walks or retires;
3. Brady decides to retire, period, regardless of what Pats want;
4. Brady walks into FA upon end of season, shops around, either decides to sign with another team or to retire.

The common theme is all of these decisions are up to Brady. He was smart enough to have team waive the franchise tag. He is free to do whatever the f.u.ucc.k he wants.

It is what it is. No point to worry about any of that until we are actually at a point where Brady is a FA. And fortunately there are almost 12-13 more game weeks until then.

 

[SBLIII]

That's all fine and Dandy, but his contract has him in the driver's seat, not the football people. Here are the options:

1. Patriots want Brady to stay, make him an offer, he accepts, they sign an extension;
2. Patriots want Brady to stay, make him an offer, he doesn't accept, walks or retires;
3. Brady decides to retire, period, regardless of what Pats want;
4. Brady walks into FA upon end of season, shops around, either decides to sign with another team or to retire.

The common theme is all of these decisions are up to Brady. He was smart enough to have team waive the franchise tag. He is free to do whatever the f.u.ucc.k he wants.

where is the option that Belichick wants to move on from Brady?

 

[venecol]

where is the option that Belichick wants to move on from Brady?

Sure, if you believe Belichick is ready to go with Stidham, that would be a credible option (if Kraft lets him). But you are correct, it is an option.