James Develin on IR

[Mack Herron]

We need an appreciation for this guy.


Need to invent a running game with blockers from the discount bin. Go Josh.

 

[Sciz]

What is Meredith's injury? This injury goes back to last season with the Saints, right?

His torn ACL two years ago, really. Last year’s knee scope was a result of that, and apparently he’s still having problems.

 

[PatsFan2]

His torn ACL two years ago, really. Last year’s knee scope was a result of that, and apparently he’s still having problems.

Sounds like a possible Malcolm Mitchell situation with the knee.

 

[Tunescribe]

Why do teams get to return only two players from IR after the mandatory eight weeks? I'm curious if anyone knows the league's reasoning behind this rule.

 

[VectorPrime]

Why do teams get to return only two players from IR after the mandatory eight weeks? I'm curious if anyone knows the league's reasoning behind this rule.

Because otherwise teams could stash tons of players on and off an entire shadow roster.

 

[PatsFan2]

Because otherwise teams could stash tons of players on and off an entire shadow roster.

That wouldn't be a bad thing knowing how Violent! the sport is and technically they would be your guys.

 

[VectorPrime]

That wouldn't be be a bad thing knowing how Violent! the sport is and technically they would be your guys.

Owners don’t want to pay for all the extra players.

 

[PatsFan2]

On James Develin though he's really been a heck of Team player along the lines of FB Sam Gash. Guys who in essence runs into brick wall on every running play. I know Develin have a family and a successful career playing for the Patriots. IF I was him I would call it quits there is life after football neck injuries are no joke or something to take lightly.

 

[Tunescribe]

Because otherwise teams could stash tons of players on and off an entire shadow roster.

I understand that part. But if they are on the active roster once the season starts, suffer a legit injury and serve the mandated eight weeks on IR, seems to me any and all of them should be able to return.

 

[PatsFan2]

Owners don’t want to pay for all the extra players.

I respect that but it's BS on their part: the owners have $$$$ to burn. In a sport when the next hit could be your last there shouldn't be a shortage of players. I know they have a Taxi Squad and all but the regular Roster should be Expanded. How many Teams have already lost key players for the Season and we are just in week 4?? They have to fix that.

 

[mgteich]

It is the owners that agree with you.

Under your system, as players got injured, they would be put on IR. Soon a team would have a shadow roster of 20 players. When they had no further use, they would cut the player.

I understand that part. But if they are on the active roster once the season starts, suffer a legit injury and serve the mandated eight weeks on IR, seems to me any and all of them should be able to return.

 

[Tunescribe]

It is the owners that agree with you.

Under your system, as players got injured, they would be put on IR. Soon a team would have a shadow roster of 20 players. When they had no further use, they would cut the player.

I'm talking only about players that make the active roster and get hurt during regular-season play. This would involve only active players injured during the season's first eight weeks -- no way would you amass a 20-player shadow roster. I guess it wouldn't apply to Harry since he wasn't on the initial 53, but if a guy gets hurt and is out eight weeks I don't see why the league limits the number of prospective returnees.

 

[RobertWeathers]

So is Dev gone with no hope to return?

 

[Tunescribe]

So is Dev gone with no hope to return?

Two of Develin/Harry/Wynn can return after eight weeks on IR.

 

[captain stone]

Why do teams get to return only two players from IR after the mandatory eight weeks? I'm curious if anyone knows the league's reasoning behind this rule.

Because otherwise teams could stash tons of players on and off an entire shadow roster.

I understand that part. But if they are on the active roster once the season starts, suffer a legit injury and serve the mandated eight weeks on IR, seems to me any and all of them should be able to return.

And none other than Pat Kirwan of Moving the Chains on Sirius radio agrees with you, completely...he has spoken on this matter many times...a player is already on the payroll when he's placed on IR, so why not let him return when he's been cleared to play ?...Fans throughout the league are having a disservice done to them by teams being forced to withhold players who are otherwise healthy & ready to try to help their teams win.

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[RobertWeathers]

Two of Develin/Harry/Wynn can return after eight weeks on IR.

Yes but wondering how severe his injury is.

 

[Kdo5]

Huge loss.

I think that it might be significant but also have heard other opinions that suggest it’s not a doomsday scenario. Bedard for instance seems to believe it will not be a critical difference in the running game and that the next man up can fill the role adequately.

If all three were available I think it’d be a no brainer to bring Wynn and Harry off of IR as they’d make the bigger impact.

 

[mgteich]

fair enough

However, I believe that many players at the bottom of the roster might be put on IR, just in case, and others hired and put on the 53.

In any case, the larger the roster, the LESS the advantage to the patriots. The more restrictions, the better for the patriots. The more complicated any rules or situations, the better for the patriots. For example, the patriots would BENEFIT from a 45 man roster, since they would be hurt much less than other teams.
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Also, consider the other side. Shouldn't a team put on the IR any player with a minor injury so that he can rest for a couple of weeK? If there is no limit, the roster would include only fully healthy players. And yes, there would be lots and lots of the IR.

BTW, are you saying that players like Harry couldn't be brought back without limit?

I'm talking only about players that make the active roster and get hurt during regular-season play. This would involve only active players injured during the season's first eight weeks -- no way would you amass a 20-player shadow roster. I guess it wouldn't apply to Harry since he wasn't on the initial 53, but if a guy gets hurt and is out eight weeks I don't see why the league limits the number of prospective returnees.

 

[ralmat55]

No, it doesn't. You could still stash those who get cut initially.



Danger! Convoluted sentences ahead:

I mentioned the P.S. And your attempted solution creates the problem of not having enough PS players if you make that move, as well as meaning that you'd pretty much have to eliminate the ability of PS players to jump ship, if it was going to work as a full season, full stop feeder system with straight returnability, in order to make it workable. And that would essentially lead to full salaries for PS players, and would mean that non-IR, but game missing, level injuries to positions not covered by that PS would become a bigger problem than they currently are.

[/QUOTE]

The PS is very flexible in that you can release and bring back players from it without waivers involved. It wouldn’t be a bad thing to increase the PS, but it wouldn’t really be necessary. We talk about a shadow roster which is not feasible, but a a shadow practice squad is. You could have several players come on and go off the PS depending on what positions are needed.

No. It would not effect PS players moving to the 53 man roster of another team at any time. Teams would just have to prepare for it. Yes, some PS players would make more than the PS minimum as they do now and more of a team’s cap will have to be set aside for PS transactions.