Antonio Brown

[TommyD4207]

They didn’t let Hill “walk with nothing” in the beginning. There was the initial public outcry, the refusal to allow him to join in team activities, and a (then) ongoing criminal and CYS case against him.

What disciplinary action did the league take after their investigation?

Your hangup on general public perception is weird.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I guess a couple/few of you guys are either just butthurt or in denial of what’s happening, so there’s no use responding to my comments.

It was a very basic post about the irony of potentially losing both players, which will happen if Brown cannot play either by league or team decision. It’s really not an argumentative viewpoint in the slightest bit. Unless you believe that the world is going to turn a blind eye to this news, there’s a pretty decent chance that it will happen.

If you choose to believe in the idea that we’ll get a fair and independent look at things, then God bless you. For multiple reasons.

You and I have been discussing D. Thomas, so I hope you will understand that I felt the same way about his value to the team before Antonio Brown even made a blip on the Patriots radar. We can agree to disagree and I respect your viewpoint. There is the possibility that the Patriots would have kept Thomas had they not signed Brown, and Brown’s status is certainly less stable than it was a day ago. There are several scenarios where he doesn’t end up playing a snap.

 

[supafly]

I'll have to just agree to disagree.

If they lose AB, I'm perfectly fine with the team they have (as long as AB doesn't go to another contender - - which I surmise was BB's intention this weekend).

From what I see of the Pats, and what I see of the "contenders", there is simply no other team that has BOTH this offense AND defense.

Would it be nice to have AB? Sure. But would it be a gamechanger not to have him? Nope. This is the only team in the NFL that can say that.

I agree with your thoughts here, which is why I was sure to include the comments like “it shouldn’t matter too much.”

I never once insinuated that the team wouldn’t be great, only that the possibility of losing both in the same day makes the situation worse, that’s all. I would’ve loved to have the deep and talented receiving group that we had yesterday afternoon, that’s all.

 

[BadMoFo]

We have a starting safety currently indicted on felony cocaine charges, which could land him behind bars if convicted. There's been no sped-up league investigation, no team suspension/release. As a matter of fact, he had a helluva game on Sunday night.

While the allegations AB faces are considerably more heinous, they are a civil and financial matter (at this time). Does that mean he should be treated differently than Chung?

 

[QuantumMechanic]

The more I think about it the more I think Brown will get suspended. If those two incoherent emails are really from him, it seems (to the extent I can understand it at all) like he’s admitting to ejaculating onto her back.

While that’s not rape, that’s certainly sexual assault under modern standards. So he’s gonna get suspended (again, if those emails are legit).

 

[LJRomanoff]

You didnt say "potentially".

Also, Thomas was not "lost". The Patriots made an affirmative choice not to continue with him on the team.

 

[Deus Irae]

I find it funny how she can be raped on 3 different occasions or whatever.

The first time wasn't enough or how does that go actually?

They aren't all alleged to be rapes. She only claims rape with regards to the 3rd incident:

Spoiler: Claims regarding the first two incidents

In June 2017, Brown sexually assaulted Ms. Taylor twice while they were together for training sessions. First, Brown exposed himself and kissed Ms. Taylor without her consent. Later that month, Brown, while positioned behind Ms. Taylor, began masturbating near her without her knowledge and ejaculated on her back

Spoiler: Claim regarding the 3rd incident

On May 20, 2018, Brown cornered Ms. Taylor, forced her down onto a bed, pushed her face into the mattress, and forcibly raped her. Ms. Taylor tried to resist him, but Brown was too strong and physically overpowered her. She screamed and cried throughout the entire rape, repeatedly shouting “no” and “stop.” Brown refused and penetrated her.

https://haaslawpllc.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1_Complaint.pdf

 

[Marqui]

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Like I’ve said in both posts, it shouldn’t be a huge deal, but why would anyone pretend that trading DT away then having the news announced about Brown doesn’t suck on an epic level?

33-3 vs PIT is one thing, but it would’ve been great to have the potential that we all discussed less than 8 hrs ago. Not sure why anyone is being argumentative about the irony of the timing.

I agree. If AB is released (I am not saying he will be - just hypothesizing) then the trade timing sucks. Sure, one can argue that the WR math didn't allow for DT to get a real chance and maybe he wanted out based on the realization there just wasn't going to be good enough chance for opportunities, however, we will never know under this hypothesis.

But let's see how it plays out, let's see what the lawsuit is about, let's see what evidence arises. If there is some solid suggestive evidence then the Patriots should part ways and bite the bullet, and hopefully AB gets his just desserts! If evidence is flimsy (one suggestion is no police report was ever filed - that is a piece of evidence in and of itself IMHO) then I don't think it's right to cut AB. I know the optics may not be right but IMHO it's the right thing.
One item to know, IMHO, is timing. Was this lawsuit out there the entire time or was this filed today/yesterday (if that's been confirmed I hadn't heard)? If it has already been filed weeks/months ago then the Patriots really dropped the ball. If it was extremely recent (with AB in the news and the big splash of going to the Patriots), that in itself is, IMHO, suggestive of motivation.

 

[Lavictoire]

Is whatever information the NFL gloms into in its “investigation” discoverable by the parties in the lawsuit? (To be fair, I expect most of it to be stuff the parties could get out of each other in the normal course of discovery anyways.)

Just in case, I think I'll buy up domain names like "www.antoniobrownincontext"

 

[supafly]

What disciplinary action did the league take after their investigation?

Your hangup on general public perception is weird.

The issue with Brown is not only with the league and the biased “investigation” they’ll get on that, but the possibility exists that the team will choose to place him on the exempt list, as KC initially did with Hill.

In terms of how the league handled the Hill situation, they had the benefit of hiding behind a lengthy criminal investigation, and that won’t be the case here. The concern is mostly about Goodell’s biased decisions, the perception and whining from the other 31 owners/countless media discussions (which can impact things, sure), and whether or not Kraft wants to deal with an issue that he’s reportedly strict with.

 

[shmessy]

He’s going to need at least a terabyte to give an explanation for every dislike he’s given you.

Aren't the first 3 lettters in JetFan79's name enough?

 

[LJRomanoff]

Was this lawsuit out there the entire time or was this filed today/yesterday

Filed today.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

They aren't all alleged to be rapes. She only claims rape with regards to the 3rd incident:

Spoiler: Claims regarding the first two incidents

In June 2017, Brown sexually assaulted Ms. Taylor twice while they were together for training sessions. First, Brown exposed himself and kissed Ms. Taylor without her consent. Later that month, Brown, while positioned behind Ms. Taylor, began masturbating near her without her knowledge and ejaculated on her back

Spoiler: Claim regarding the 3rd incident

On May 20, 2018, Brown cornered Ms. Taylor, forced her down onto a bed, pushed her face into the mattress, and forcibly raped her. Ms. Taylor tried to resist him, but Brown was too strong and physically overpowered her. She screamed and cried throughout the entire rape, repeatedly shouting “no” and “stop.” Brown refused and penetrated her.

https://haaslawpllc.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1_Complaint.pdf

Come on man! I didn’t know you were going to spoil the entire events, especially the suspenseful plot twist involving her back being turned. No point in even watching Mr. Big Chest’s Booming Business, Season 3.

 

[Lavictoire]

Like I’ve said in both posts, it shouldn’t be a huge deal, but why would anyone pretend that trading DT away then having the news announced about Brown doesn’t suck on an epic level?

33-3 vs PIT is one thing, but it would’ve been great to have the potential that we all discussed less than 8 hrs ago. Not sure why anyone is being argumentative about the irony of the timing.

I for one agree that the timing sucks. I was on the Jets board earlier reading the reaction to the DT trade when someone commented he hopes DT signed on the dotted line because someone just sued Brown for rape and sexual assault. This cant be happening I thought.

 

[reflexblue]

For a split second i thought it was a picture of Wino

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

The “investigation” would be headed by an independent party. Much like Ted Wells.

Phew! We should all now feel better knowing it'll be an independent investigation.

 

[supafly]

Also, Thomas was not "lost". The Patriots made an affirmative choice not to continue with him on the team.

They may have made that decision or DT may have requested a trade based on the idea of having Brown contribute, which is the point. It’s probably not coincidental that they traded him after the signing of Brown.

 

[supafly]

Phew! We should all now feel better knowing it'll be an independent investigation.

Nix that idea. According to Quantum, it would be decided solely by Goodell, since it happened under the personal conduct policy.

 

[LJRomanoff]

They may have made that decision or DT may have requested a trade based on the idea of having Brown contribute, which is the point. It’s probably not coincidental that they traded him after the signing of Brown.

He wasn't going to play anyway. Thomas is a non-factor.