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On two of the plays Stidham got sacked, there was an unblocked linebacker making plays after the OL was fully engaged. It was a good defensive design and the OL wasn't ready for ut. Stidham had no chance, any QB goes down when the OL breaks down like that and lets a pass rusher through completely unblocked. I'm sure Scar will be having a word with his men about not getting tunnel vision on the guy in front of them.I am glad it's BB and McDaniels who will make the decision in the end. But on those plays Stidham got sacked Hoyer wouldn't have a prayer and he's less mobile too.
I think something needs to be said that applies both to the QB and WR positions, and it's something I wish I didn't have to say:
If King's injury is as bad as some seemed to think, we're looking at a roster spot, that many thought was locked in, now being open.
On two of the plays Stidham got sacked, there was an unblocked linebacker making plays after the OL was fully engaged. It was a good defensive design and the OL wasn't ready for ut. Stidham had no chance, any QB goes down when the OL breaks down like that and lets a pass rusher through completely unblocked. I'm sure Scar will be having a word with his men about not getting tunnel vision on the guy in front of them.
On the other one, it was a complete breakdown by the OL, they were just overmatched and had a bad snap, and Stidham did some very good work escaping 2-3 different tackles before he was finally brought down.
Fitz has an arm. Hoyer is smart, smarter than Fitz who is a bit of a meathed, but he's a checkdown QB at best.I agree the D gets paid to play too: that said IF the unthinkable happens I would like us to roll with Stidham instead of Hoyer. We already know what Hoyer can do he will be good for a game or two and completely $h!t the bed when it matters...Hoyer reminds me of Ryan Fitzpatrick.
="Simpelton, post: 5630462, member: 38409"]It all makes too much sense
Frankly veteranosity is extremely overrated when it's not paired with actual talent. Whether Stidham or Hoyer is taking the snaps a disabled Brady would be taking, IMHO the season is effectively over either way. Unless they think he'll be hurt out there, I'd rather take a lost year and get the youngster some reps. Letting a veteran backup stand in out there just because veteran is the kind of old-guard thinking that dooms dynasties.
Fitz has an arm. Hoyer is smart, smarter than Fitz who is a bit of a meathed, but he's a checkdown QB at best.
I think that the potentially outstanding Patriot defense is a reason for keeping Hoyer. A game manager quarterback paired with a stifling defense could win a number of games in Brady's absence, particularly with a strong running game at his disposal.We shall see. If we suffer the unthinkable, a "lost year" we might also get our youngster killed which would ruin his development. I am not a big fan of Brian Hoyer but one does not obtain "veteranosity" (longevity) in the NFL without displaying talent on the practice field. The reason Brady was able to permanently take the job from Bledsoe was because he was consistently displaying his talent on the practice field that year. Keep in mind it was his second year.
King's loss means that there is serious need on ST's.
Our D and running game this year is gonna be really good, meaning average qb may be good enough to win a champ, a rookie is too much of a wildcard for that to happen, we keep Hoyer because w this d and this run game he could conceivably win a SB, a rookie most likely wont
I get what you're saying but I don't think that you can actually afford to think like that as an NFL GM. Risk is part of the game. You never know who's going to get hurt but that doesn't mean you can afford to run scared.We shall see. If we suffer the unthinkable, a "lost year" we might also get our youngster killed which would ruin his development.
I am not a big fan of Brian Hoyer but one does not obtain "veteranosity" (longevity) in the NFL without displaying talent on the practice field. The reason Brady was able to permanently take the job from Bledsoe was because he was consistently displaying his talent on the practice field that year. Keep in mind it was his second year.
Well put, but he's lucked out twice. Back in 2009 just a year after Brady's ACL lost season, Bill went with a rookie UDFA to be Tom's only back up. Now that took major league sized balls when you think back on it.Your post is really hightlighting the issue, IMO. Does BB think Stidham, who's not ready to be the #2, is close enough to ready to be the #2 that he can get rid of the guy who's already a capable #2 and is able to fill in as the #1, if needed? He lucked out in 2012, the year he cut Hoyer and kept Mallet, because Mallet was not ready, and never got ready. Is he willing to take that gamble again?
That's what we're going to find out.
But here's the thing that is starting to sway me from the three QB camp. I would agree with you that Stidham is not ready to start the season as the Pats QB on the 8th of September. But would he be ready in early November? By then he'd have had about 50 additional practices and meetings to improve his recognition and understanding of the pro game.