Brady contract situation (Merged - UPDATED:Deal Done)

[Biffins]

Biffins, you and MCI Volin need to pause and think.......

What team desperate enough to pay $25-30 million for a 43 year old QB who would have to learn a completely different offensive system with completely different personnel for the first time in a GENERATION would Tom Brady (and his wife/kids) entrust his physical welfare to?

Please. We're awaiting your informed answer.

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Vikings, Browns, 49ers (who can release Jimmy G after this year) etc. Plenty of teams to be honest.

All of you are undervaluing Tom. I repeat, at $20m he’s not even in top20. QB salaries have really inflated recently.

 

[maust]

All of you are undervaluing Tom.

(sigh)
Again, it's not all of us

 

[patfanken]

Vikings, Browns, 49ers (who can release Jimmy G after this year) etc. Plenty of teams to be honest.

All of you are undervaluing Tom. I repeat, at $20m he’s not even in top20. QB salaries have really inflated recently.

Let me try this AGAIN. Between his $15MM in salaries and bonuses and the $12MM prorated signing bonus for this season, Brady's income for this year is essentially $27MM. Where does that put him????

 

[libra957]

Praying for a 10 year 100 million extension. Tom will need to undergo surgery to add more fingers to fit future SB rings.

 

[shmessy]

Vikings, Browns, 49ers (who can release Jimmy G after this year) etc. Plenty of teams to be honest.

All of you are undervaluing Tom. I repeat, at $20m he’s not even in top20. QB salaries have really inflated recently.

You might as well argue that Tom thinks it would be really fun to go skydive over downtown Pyongyang.

1) 43 year old body next year.
2) New offensive system to learn after mastering this one over 20 years
3) Gisele would leave and take the kids.

What DON'T you understand? (The better question is what DO you understand?)

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[shmessy]

Let’s admit it. BB doesn’t want to pay Brady what he wants and there’s an issue here.

Yeah, the strain is showing :

 

[tasmlab]

Wow. Sounds like all of you are ready to gamble that no team is willing to pay Brady $25m-30m for a year. That’s a dangerous gamble. Favre got a great contract from both the Vikings and Jets on a rental.

I think lots of teams would be willing to pay that.

When you say “no value” I assume you mean $5-10m ? I am pretty sure Brady won’t play for that money. He’d rather retire.

I think this situation is explosive and everyone’s too calm about it

Cards, Giants and Red Skins could probably use a sure-thing rental while their newly drafted rookie QBs learn for a year or two. Might be perfect for a team in that situation.

 

[shmessy]

Cards, Giants and Red Skins could probably use a sure-thing rental while their newly drafted rookie QBs learn for a year or two. Might be perfect for a team in that situation.

Oh God, makes this stop! Would Brady in a million years ever choose to do that?

Think..........

Do you actually believe a 43 year old Brady is going to choose to go to a new offensive system to re-learn a new cadence/language/route tree with a completely brand new OL and WR/TE's from scratch? What's in it for him? Does he need to risk his body and legacy for a few more million (even if that is a "thing" as @patfanken has so very well posted).

Have you and Biffins taken a moment to give that even a cursory thought before subjecting us to that?

The ignorance/naivete of this is incredible. Some of these folks should seriously just go back to the video games.

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[PatsDeb]

Cards, Giants and Red Skins could probably use a sure-thing rental while their newly drafted rookie QBs learn for a year or two. Might be perfect for a team in that situation.

Not to mention the invaluable mentoring they would receive.

I reiterate that I don't think there's any way Brady leaves the Pats. My only point (in a pointless off-season thread) is that for those who are arguing that the Pats can, are, and will low-ball him, either because he has little to no value to other teams because of his age, and/or because he would never go elsewhere and learn a new system, I think you're dreaming. He could BE the system on a team that doesn't have one (or a very good one), and they would gladly pay top dollar for it, even for a year or two. Giselle doesn't have that much influence on him. If she did, he would have retired already.

But this is all academic, IMO as in a few days (isn't Saturday Brady's birthday), we will hear that he and the team quietly worked out an extension that they'll refuse to talk about. Can't wait for the season!

 

[PatsDeb]

Oh God, makes this stop! Would Brady in a million years ever choose to do that?

Think..........

Do you actually believe a 43 year old Brady is going to choose to go to a new offensive system to re-learn a new cadence/language/route tree with a completely brand new OL and WR/TE's from scratch? What's in it for him? Does he need to risk his body and legacy for a few more million (even if that is a "thing" as @patfanken has so very well posted).

Have you and Biffins taken a moment to give that even a cursory thought before subjecting us to that?

The ignorance/naivete of this is incredible. Some of these folks should seriously just go back to the video games.

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LOL, the man likes a challenge.

Nobody is saying this is going to happen. Some of us are just dismissing the idea (like you are dismissing us) that Brady would never, under any circumstances, go anywhere else.

 

[farn]

LOL, the man likes a challenge.

Nobody is saying this is going to happen. Some of just are just dismissing the idea (like you are dismissing us) that Brady would never, under any circumstances, go anywhere else.

I’m with Deb. Just because something is highly unlikely, it doesn’t mean it is impossible. Green Bay would’ve never thought Favre would suit up for the Vikings, just like SF fans wouldn’t have predicted Montana in KC.

I’m confident Brady retires a Patriot, but almost every single HoFer played on more than one team.

 

[shmessy]

LOL, the man likes a challenge.

Nobody is saying this is going to happen. Some of just are just dismissing the idea (like you are dismissing us) that Brady would never, under any circumstances, go anywhere else.

Then you are kidding yourself.

At 43? Gisele is already raising holy hell about him still leaving the family to play football. The ONLY thing that allows her to grudgingly accede to this is that he is making unprecedented history.

Going to the 49ers/Bengals/whomever is not making any history. The couple is worth upwards of a billion dollars. Are you actually trying to convince people that Tom/Gisele would put his 43 yr old dad body at risk for any other team at this point for a few million dollars?

Some of you folks are just belching this stuff out on this thread without thinking of reality.

 

[tasmlab]

Oh God, makes this stop! Would Brady in a million years ever choose to do that?

Think..........

Do you actually believe a 43 year old Brady is going to choose to go to a new offensive system to re-learn a new cadence/language/route tree with a completely brand new OL and WR/TE's from scratch? What's in it for him? Does he need to risk his body and legacy for a few more million (even if that is a "thing" as @patfanken has so very well posted).

Have you and Biffins taken a moment to give that even a cursory thought before subjecting us to that?

The ignorance/naivete of this is incredible. Some of these folks should seriously just go back to the video games.

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Calm down. I was merely describing the possible benefit of one of buying teams and saying there could be interest. I didn't suggest Brady would want to join them in any way.

 

[shmessy]

I’m with Deb. Just because something is highly unlikely, it doesn’t mean it is impossible. Green Bay would’ve never thought Favre would suit up for the Vikings, just like SF fans wouldn’t have predicted Montana in KC.

I’m confident Brady retires a Patriot, but almost every single HoFer played on more than one team.

Horrible analogies.

Favre didn't win 6 SBs.

Montana was 36 years old when he went to KC. So you'd have a glimmer of a point if this was 2012.

Neither were worth upwards of a billion dollars. Neither had wives who outearned them tapping their watches and grimacing.

Think.

 

[shmessy]

Calm down. I was merely describing the possible benefit of one of buying teams and saying there could be interest. I didn't suggest Brady would want to join them in any way.

There are people in this very thread who believe the possibility exists that it could happen.

It means nothing whether or not another team wants him. There's no amount of money (available in a salary cap league) that any team could lure this arguable billionaire to changing systems to play with them at the age of 43.

Unless Brady has a complete loss of mind and decides to put Gisele and the children on a permanent boat to Brazil, it ain't gonna happen. Maybe 5 years ago, but not in 2020 when he is 43.

It's reality.

There's alot of folks who think of these players as chess pieces and not human beings (mirroring some of the kids in the "Gronk is definitely coming back" thread").

These are human beings who hope to have long, happy lives to live after football.
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[luuked]

Cards, Giants and Red Skins could probably use a sure-thing rental while their newly drafted rookie QBs learn for a year or two. Might be perfect for a team in that situation.

Vikings, Browns, 49ers (who can release Jimmy G after this year) etc. Plenty of teams to be honest.

All of you are undervaluing Tom. I repeat, at $20m he’s not even in top20. QB salaries have really inflated recently.

This is not fantasy football or Madden where Brady is lets say a 95 and moving him to a different team will automatically improve the other team.

Do you guys consider things like who the HC/OC is, what type of offense they like to run (i.e. those are the concepts they were hired for) and what supporting cast he has there ?

Even more absurd mentioning the Browns and 49ers who have their QB and would not in a million years sit him (or even trade him) for 1-2 years of a 43 year old with zero track record of playing in a different offense.

The Vikings would have a dead cap hit of 30M if they'd release Cousins unless you think they will find someone who would take that amazing deal off their hands. How exactly would they create a competitive team with about 60M invested into 2 QB salaries ?

Why would Brady even come back for another year if it is not for a team that can absolutely compete for a championship ? What is the point ? To risk injuries for a 8:8 or worse kinda season with the Cardinals, Giants or Redskins ? Do you think he is still doing this for money ?

None of this is romanticism about him only playing for one team but it is just pure pragmaticism. He will most probably either be here next year or retire.

 

[PatsDeb]

There are people in this very thread who believe the possibility exists that it could happen.

Unless Brady has a complete loss of mind and decides to put Gisele and the children on a permanent boat to Brazil, it ain't gonna happen. Maybe 5 years ago, but not in 2020 when he is 43.

It's reality.

There's alot of folks who think of these players as chess pieces and not human beings (mirroring some of the kids in the "Gronk is definitely coming back" thread").

These are human beings who hope to have long, happy lives to live after football.
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So, let's suppose the Pats only offer Brady 10 million dollars next year, no incentives or signing bonuses, etc. (or some other similar really low-ball offer), because, as you say he's 43, and they know he isn't going anywhere. However, this pisses Tommy off. He elects not to take the Pats' paltry offer and announces since he is not yet 45 (the age he has repeatedly said he's going to play until), he intends to test the free agent market. The Patriots either have to franchise him (I think someone said in this thread that will cost the Pats $34 million) or let him test the market. They'll never pay that for the 43 year old going nowhere, right? The Jets (the Giants? Buffalo? Miami? all of them have sucky QB situations now and could fit the bill; how about the Texans? Tennessee? Detroit? All have mediocre QBs and past Pats coaches/players who have worked with Tommy) give Tommy a call on the first day of free agency and offer to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL, with a two year contract and every penny guaranteed. He doesn't have to learn a new offense - he can bring the O that he has used with the Pats to their team and they will hire the offensive coordinator of his choice. Giselle is pissed, but she could live with Miami or New York for 2 years.

Will it happen? No. Could it happen? You say absolutely not - you're delusional! He'd retire before he went anywhere else! But I say, if the Pats play too much hardball, you can never say never. That's why they won't play too much hard-ball, low-ball with him. They know what they have (not to mention they know what they DON'T have [a successor waiting in the wings]), and they know how hard they can push. They also know there are plenty of teams out there (heck, all you need is one) that would do this just for the chance to catch some Brady magic.

 

[tasmlab]

Why would Brady even come back for another year if it is not for a team that can absolutely compete for a championship ? What is the point ? To risk injuries for a 8:8 or worse kinda season with the Cardinals, Giants or Redskins ? Do you think he is still doing this for money ?

FWIW, I didn't suggest any of this in my post. Only that some teams might want him. I don't think he would choose to join any of them at all. Both you and @shmessy are responding to points I never suggested.

 

[luuked]

FWIW, I didn't suggest any of this in my post. Only that some teams might want him. I don't think he would choose to join any of them at all. Both you and @shmessy are responding to points I never suggested.

I quoted your post because of the teams mentioned in there just to prevent Biffins to come back with exactly that list.

 

[shmessy]

So, let's suppose the Pats only offer Brady 10 million dollars next year, no incentives or signing bonuses, etc. (or some other similar really low-ball offer), because, as you say he's 43, and they know he isn't going anywhere. However, this pisses Tommy off. He elects not to take the Pats' paltry offer and announces since he is not yet 45 (the age he has repeatedly said he's going to play until), he intends to test the free agent market. The Patriots either have to franchise him (I think someone said in this thread that will cost the Pats $34 million) or let him test the market. They'll never pay that for the 43 year old going nowhere, right? The Jets (the Giants? Buffalo? Miami? all of them have sucky QB situations now and could fit the bill; how about the Texans? Tennessee? Detroit? All have mediocre QBs and past Pats coaches/players who have worked with Tommy) give Tommy a call on the first day of free agency and offer to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL, with a two year contract and every penny guaranteed. He doesn't have to learn a new offense - he can bring the O that he has used with the Pats to their team and they will hire the offensive coordinator of his choice. Giselle is pissed, but she could live with Miami or New York for 2 years.

Will it happen? No. Could it happen? You say absolutely not - you're delusional! He'd retire before he went anywhere else! But I say, if the Pats play too much hardball, you can never say never. That's why they won't play too much hard-ball, low-ball with him. They know what they have (not to mention they know what they DON'T have [a successor waiting in the wings]), and they know how hard they can push. They also know there are plenty of teams out there (heck, all you need is one) that would do this just for the chance to catch some Brady magic.

Ok, I've tried to hold off from calling you delusional, but you have now exhausted my (admittedly) limited store of politeness. In this matter you are quite delusional. He will either play for the Patriots or retire.

If you dream that he would put his 43 year old body at risk, having to learn his first new offensive system in 20 years, with the amount of money he and Gisele have already amassed, then you are engaging in "magical" thinking.

But then you solve that real world problem with this hallucinagenic dream "He doesn't have to learn a new offense - he can bring the O that he has used with the Pats to their team and they will hire the offensive coordinator of his choice. Giselle is pissed, but she could live with Miami or New York for 2 years."

So in your world, Brady is going to be able to find some OC off the shelf who knows and can effectively teach the McDaniels system to 25 players on the new team work in sync learning and mastering this system whilst becoming in sync with Brady between his ages of 43-45. And somehow this won't completely destroy Brady's legacy and spine? Do I understand you correctly? Is that what you are putting out there?

That is just not reality based at all.






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