- Joined
- Sep 13, 2004
- Messages
- 9,601
- Reaction score
- 1,959
Hmmm, interested in seeing a picture of Tom with Gisele in old age.This pic is not realistic......
Brady will look much younger at 50 after he wins all those rings......
Registered Members experience this forum ad and noise-free.
CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Hmmm, interested in seeing a picture of Tom with Gisele in old age.This pic is not realistic......
Brady will look much younger at 50 after he wins all those rings......
The all-time record that matters most this year is Belichick tying Paul Brown with 7 NFL championships.
Brown has 3 NFL championships and 4 AAFC championships. Big difference.
Brady needs 2 more super bowls to break Starr and Graham’s record of 7 championships...
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm.
AAFC championships are not NFL championships. Graham has 3 NFL championships, not 7. The level of competition in the AAFC was not the same as the NFL. He does have 7 “professional” championships, but we are talking about the NFL record book.
Starr does not have 7 championships; he has 5. It’s double dipping his SB1 and SB2 championships by giving him NFL Championships and Super Bowls championships both in the same season. He won the NFL Championship (now called the NFCCG) in route to SB1 and SB2. You can’t win two championships in one season or four championships in two seasons, which is what is being done to calculate that Starr total. If you’re going that route then Brady has 15 championships right now (9 AFC, 6 Super Bowl.)
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm.
AAFC championships are not NFL championships. Graham has 3 NFL championships, not 7. The level of competition in the AAFC was not the same as the NFL. He does have 7 “professional” championships, but we are talking about the NFL record book.
Starr does not have 7 championships; he has 5. It’s double dipping his SB1 and SB2 championships by giving him NFL Championships and Super Bowls championships both in the same season. He won the NFL Championship (now called the NFCCG) in route to SB1 and SB2. You can’t win two championships in one season or four championships in two seasons, which is what is being done to calculate that Starr total. If you’re going that route then Brady has 15 championships right now (9 AFC, 6 Super Bowl.)
I see him as very similar to Fran Tarkenton actually, maybe a half-notch better because he did win a superbowl. but Win-Loss wise, and stats compared to his contemporaneous peers.He's generally ranked above many quarterbacks in NFL history who deserve to be ranked way ahead of him. It's a combination of recency bias and the "immaculate Brees" syndrome, whereby he''s sheltered to any criticism, ever, whereas every other QB is skewered as part of the job.
I see him as very similar to Fran Tarkenton actually, maybe a half-notch better because he did win a superbowl. but Win-Loss wise, and stats compared to his contemporaneous peers.
Very good comparison.
Someone was outright angry last year when I ranked Staubach above Brees. They cited a stats comparison (lol). Staubach was better than Brees, with his only knock being a fairly short career (he served in the Navy). People don’t understand that although Staubach’s stats “sucked” though the lens of millennial tunnel vision history (NFL began in 2001), he led the league in passer rating four times, was he league’s best on-field leader, and made to four Super Bowls, winning two and losing twice to a historically dominant Steelers team. I don’t even know if Brees is in the top 5 since 2000. I’d say Brady, Warner, Manning, Rodgers, and then a dog fight between a lot of players. So it’s hard to be a top-5 all time QB when at best you are #5 QB of your era.
Very good comparison.
Someone was outright angry last year when I ranked Staubach above Brees. They cited a stats comparison (lol). Staubach was better than Brees, with his only knock being a fairly short career (he served in the Navy). People don’t understand that although Staubach’s stats “sucked” though the lens of millennial tunnel vision history (NFL began in 2001), he led the league in passer rating four times, was he league’s best on-field leader, and made to four Super Bowls, winning two and losing twice to a historically dominant Steelers team. I don’t even know if Brees is in the top 5 since 2000. I’d say Brady, Warner, Manning, Rodgers, and then a dog fight between a lot of players. So it’s hard to be a top-5 all time QB when at best you are #5 QB of your era.
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm.
AAFC championships are not NFL championships. Graham has 3 NFL championships, not 7. The level of competition in the AAFC was not the same as the NFL. He does have 7 “professional” championships, but we are talking about the NFL record book.
Starr does not have 7 championships; he has 5. It’s double dipping his SB1 and SB2 championships by giving him NFL Championships and Super Bowls championships both in the same season. He won the NFL Championship (now called the NFCCG) in route to SB1 and SB2. You can’t win two championships in one season or four championships in two seasons, which is what is being done to calculate that Starr total. If you’re going that route then Brady has 15 championships right now (9 AFC, 6 Super Bowl.)
Very good comparison.
Someone was outright angry last year when I ranked Staubach above Brees. They cited a stats comparison (lol). Staubach was better than Brees, with his only knock being a fairly short career (he served in the Navy). People don’t understand that although Staubach’s stats “sucked” though the lens of millennial tunnel vision history (NFL began in 2001), he led the league in passer rating four times, was he league’s best on-field leader, and made to four Super Bowls, winning two and losing twice to a historically dominant Steelers team. I don’t even know if Brees is in the top 5 since 2000. I’d say Brady, Warner, Manning, Rodgers, and then a dog fight between a lot of players. So it’s hard to be a top-5 all time QB when at best you are #5 QB of your era.
I did a stats based QB comp across eras. I didn't complete everything and the stats are only updated through the 2017 season, but Staubach ranks very favorably in my metric; a top five all-time QB. I've come to see him as criminally underrated.
Brady? In my analysis, no one surpasses him in the modern era. I was surprised to see that, to be honest. I expected him to be Top 5 statistically, but tops in the modern era was crazy. All time, you have the Sammy Baughs of the world with their crazy stats against scrubs coming out on top.
There was no confetti in 2012 or 2018Think about that. An AFC Championship does get you a Lamar Hunt trophy and a confetti celebration. So between AFC championships and Super Bowl championships, the winning confetti has fallen on Tom Brady while he’s held up a trophy FIFTEEN times. It’s unfathomable.
There was no confetti in 2012 or 2018