Brady set to break 2 important Manning accomplishments in 2019

[Wheelman]

But in 10-20 years, no one will be close to 30 postseason wins or about a dozen insanely ridiculous records that TB12 has. Winning is the ultimate equalizer since you’re playing with the same rules as your counterpart QB. When Brady broke records for most postseason wins and most regular season wins, it was little more than a blurb. Yet that will stand the test of time. These big passing numbers will become irrelevant the moment they’re surpassed. Just ask Favre, Marino, Fouts, Tarkenton, Unitas, and Graham how often they’re hailed as “the guy who was once the all-time leader in passing yards and TDs but now is surpassed by non-elite modern players.”

Hold your horses there. The NYJFL* will eventually get the NFLPA to agree to 18 games a season. Apparently "Jerrah" is involved in the CBA talks. You know, as much of a piece of **** sub-human he is, he's going to get what he wants. And then he's also going to get the playoffs expanded to a 16 team playoff. So Brady needs to win the next 4 Super Bowl's. Then his record might be safe.

 

[brdmaverick]

So when Brady hits 540, that 1 TD pass is so massively important to his legacy? The whole thing is silly.

Realistically, no, it should be meaningless, but I'm sure these numbers and who bested who will be more important to the QBs (not necessarily their legacies, but for bragging rights) once the three of them are retired.

 

[brdmaverick]

Well, if Brady and Brees keep flip flopping as the record holder throughout the year I just hope they don't do a ceremony each time. That would be tiresome.

 

[Richard Camembert]

Brees is massively overrated. He is the most coddled athlete in the four major sports. He receives a micro-fraction of the criticism that every other “elite” QB receives when he falls short in the postseason. He’s played 17 seasons (in a 16 team conference) and made one Super Bowl appearance. It seems that any given franchise would do just as well in that timeframe. Top-6 all-time QB? He wins less than 60% of his starts. The guy has had a lot of moments to shine on the biggest stage but has little to show for it. Spare me the excuses about the Saints defense, coaching, etc. They play a track meet style of game and he wins a little more than Heads against Tails. Name another “all-time great” QB who wins less frequently.

Marino.

Breed’ team did win that SB appearance so there’s that. Also, who knows what would have happened this year if the Saints hadn’t been screwed by that PI non-call in the NFCCG. I think Brees has been amazing, not a Brady but close to it. And yeah, not having a good defense most of the time hurts.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Marino.

Breed’ team did win that SB appearance so there’s that. Also, who knows what would have happened this year if the Saints hadn’t been screwed by that PI non-call in the NFCCG. I think Brees has been amazing, not a Brady but close to it. And yeah, not having a good defense most of the time hurts.

That PI non-call has really been milked dry. The Rams were hosed the previous series when touching Goff’s helmet didn’t result in an automatic first down. That was a huge odds swing. Brees was dreadful that game...his first half success was a bunch of Kamara screens and trickery with combo threat QB. The Saints were extremely fortunate that they were in position to put the game away after Brees threw multiple errant passes to open receivers in the 2nd half, then that under thrown duck to Ginn they somehow wasn’t picked off.

What would have happened if they hadn’t been screwed by then on-PI call? Did you see the game? The Saints got the ball first and Brees got picked off. It’s not like the game was over.

I don’t see why people can’t just acknowledge he played an absolutely terrible game and cop out on one blown call. The Patriots got totally nosed against the Chiefs with defensive holding and PIs being different standards. Bottom line is Brady made critical throw after critical throw and then marched them down the field - in the most pressure packed moments - to win the game. Without getting into Brees’s career as a whole, can we just acknowledge that he totally sucked in that game? It’s unreal how the double standard exists. Can you imagine if that were Rodgers or Ryan putting up that performance in an NFCCG and then getting picked after winning the toss in OT?

 

[shmessy]

Marino.

Breed’ team did win that SB appearance so there’s that. Also, who knows what would have happened this year if the Saints hadn’t been screwed by that PI non-call in the NFCCG. I think Brees has been amazing, not a Brady but close to it. And yeah, not having a good defense most of the time hurts.

Actually, not having a good defense HELPS a QBs's overall stat accumulation.

Sample Comparisons:
Brady SB 38 vs Brady SB 39
Brady SB 53 vs Brady SB 52.

Not to mention the career of Dan Fouts.

The Saints' have mostly been the Doug Moe Denver Nuggets of the NFL and each year they at a minimum play 11 games either in a dome, Carolina and Tampa Bay.

They should change their team logo to Sloe Gin Fizz.

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[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Actually, not having a good defense HELPS a QBs's overall stat accumulation.

Sample Comparisons:
Brady SB 38 vs Brady SB 39
Brady SB 53 vs Brady SB 52.

Not to mention the career of Dan Fouts.

The Saints' have mostly been the Doug Moe Denver Nuggets of the NFL and each year they at a minimum play 11 games either in a dome, Carolina and Tampa Bay.

They should change their team logo to Sloe Gin Fizz.

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Bingo. Just look at Brees stats last year. He didn’t crack 4K yards but it was probably his best season as a pro. Good efficiency helps defense by keeping the other team off the field and playing with a lead. Brees cracking 5K yards all these years does not impress me. His 2019 season, with its low yardage and high efficiency/low turnovers, was way more impressive.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I see no reason to belittle Drew Brees. Dome midget? He's had a stellar career, and it has been dome-aided for sure, as was most of Manning's regular season accomplishments.
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I wonder how Dolphin fans feel every time they watch Brees. Miami opted to sig Daunte Culpepper instead of Brees. Daunte threw 2 TD in Miami while Drew threw 440 TDs and another 33 in the playoffs....

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Brady does hold one more record I haven't seen mentioned. he has thrown for the most yardage with one team, 70,514. Manning and Brees have more yardage but both did it for two separate teams.....

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I wonder how Dolphin fans feel every time they watch Brees. Miami opted to sig Daunte Culpepper instead of Brees. Daunte threw 2 TD in Miami while Drew threw 440 TDs and another 33 in the playoffs....

that was all Nick Saban...

 

[upstater1]

The dome thing is so huge with these stats.

Like apples and oranges.

You can't compare a guy who plays 6 games from Thanksgiving onward in the cold to a guy that either plays in his dome (New Orleans) or otherwise another dome (Atlanta) or else a warm weather place (Tampa) and mild weather (Carolina) around November/December.

Because they play division games at the end of the schedule, the Patriots will find themselves either at Foxboro, the Meadowlands or Buffalo for 4 or 5 games every single year from Thanksgiving to the end.

That's like 1/4th or 1/3rd of the season played in cold weather every year.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Getting tired of the Brees rhetoric regarding if they had made it there.

Firstly. It was a horribly thrown ball with no zip on it. He seemed to be breaking down the last 4 or 5 games.

2nd. Had they made it some predicted it would of been a different result. Maybe? But what I do know is BB has a way of taking away things from the other team by design. If you don’t think they would of had something for Kamara and Thomas than you haven’t been following. Not sure if the Pats would of scored only 13 points either.

Anyway, still the champs until at least February of 2020. Maybe 2021.

 

[Richard Camembert]

Actually, not having a good defense HELPS a QBs's overall stat accumulation.

Sample Comparisons:
Brady SB 38 vs Brady SB 39
Brady SB 53 vs Brady SB 52.

Not to mention the career of Dan Fouts.

The Saints' have mostly been the Doug Moe Denver Nuggets of the NFL and each year they at a minimum play 11 games either in a dome, Carolina and Tampa Bay.

They should change their team logo to Sloe Gin Fizz.

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Obv. That part of the point was more about Brees not winning as much as Brady, which I’m blaming on a lot of years of weak D. Brady didn’t win much during the years of weak D either. You have to acknowledge that not every QB could run that O, though, puffed up though the stats are. I think the guy is elite.

I’m also kind of surprised by the bashing of our brothers in Goodell porkage.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Obv. That part of the point was more about Brees not winning as much as Brady, which I’m blaming on a lot of years of weak D. Brady didn’t win much during the years of weak D either. You have to acknowledge that not every QB could run that O, though, puffed up though the stats are. I think the guy is elite.

I’m also kind of surprised by the bashing of our brothers in Goodell porkage.

You should go to some Saints boards or read some comments that reference Brady as GOAT. They’re just like every other fan base, other than slightly less hatred because they haven’t lost as much to the Pats. Brady = system qb is their rallying point. It’s funny because Brees is probably the quintessential non-improvising QB, which isn’t a knock on his game (I like the quick release and pre-snap decision making) but talk about calling the kettle black.

 

[shmessy]

Obv. That part of the point was more about Brees not winning as much as Brady, which I’m blaming on a lot of years of weak D. Brady didn’t win much during the years of weak D either. You have to acknowledge that not every QB could run that O, though, puffed up though the stats are. I think the guy is elite.

I’m also kind of surprised by the bashing of our brothers in Goodell porkage.

"Brady didn’t win much during the years of weak D either."


WHOOOOAAAAA Nellie!!!!! (apologies to the family of Keith Jackson)

Since 2007, Brees has had FIVE seasons at 7-9 and ONE season at 8-8

Brady has never been worse than 10-6 during that period. His career worst was 9-7 in 2002.

I'm not seeing the relative argument there.

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[Richard Camembert]

"Brady didn’t win much during the years of weak D either."


WHOOOOAAAAA Nellie!!!!! (apologies to the family of Keith Jackson)

Since 2007, Brees has had FIVE seasons at 7-9 and ONE season at 8-8

Brady has never been worse than 10-6 during that period. His career worst was 9-7 in 2002.

I'm not seeing the relative argument there.

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Yikes. I meant win SB, I thought we were discounting regular season wins as less meaningful. As I recall Brady went 10 years without winning an SB, mostly due to weak D. Brees has had the same problem for some time.

You get that I’m not arguing Brees > Brady, just that Brees is excellent, right?

 

[shmessy]

Yikes. I meant win SB, I thought we were discounting regular season wins as less meaningful. As I recall Brady went 10 years without winning an SB, mostly due to weak D. Brees has had the same problem for some time.

You get that I’m not arguing Brees > Brady, just that Brees is excellent, right?

"...Brady didn’t win much during the years of weak D either...."

So sorry. I had no idea that you 'meant' to write "win SB". My bad.


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[203Pat]

I wonder how Dolphin fans feel every time they watch Brees. Miami opted to sig Daunte Culpepper instead of Brees. Daunte threw 2 TD in Miami while Drew threw 440 TDs and another 33 in the playoffs....

To be fair to Saban and the Phins, Brees was coming off a pretty bad shoulder injury. Last game of his career as a Charger he tore the labrum in his throwing shoulder and damaged his rotator cuff. That being said I’m pretty sure Culpepper tore his knee up the same season Brees got hurt.

 

[Patjew]

I really like Brees. Seems like a humble guy. Great accuracy. Helped NO when the city was really a mess. Cool birthmark. Won a SB that I really wanted him to win. About my height and weight. Put headphones on his kid. Did not go to Miami. Did leave San Diego. Probably hates Goodell. Lives in a cool city. Old but no one really talks about that.

Solid dude IMO.

 

[Patriot Missile]

For the record, I’m not bashing the guy. He is one of the best to play the position. Just tired of some that just think it was a given the Patriots would of lost had they drawn them instead. It’s a naive statement is all.