Mike Freeman - Gronk comeback?

[DaBruinz]

Please cite where it was reported Gronk filed papers and is officially retired in the eyes of the NFLPA and the league office.

The fact that the Patriots received Cap Credit should be citation enough. Not sure why that isn't clicking for you.

The reality is that we almost never hear that a player has "filed retirement paperwork" with the NFL. We only hear that they've retired.

 

[DaBruinz]

Please cite where it was reported Gronk filed papers and is officially retired in the eyes of the NFLPA and the league office.

Please cite where a player can be put on the Reserve/Retired list by a team without said player having filed the appropriate paperwork with the NFL..

 

[RobertWeathers]

Could you show me anywhere that I said that Reserve/Retired means the team gives up the rights to the player? No. You can't. You're conflating something that wasn't said or implied.

Reserve/Retired means that the player has filed their paperwork with the NFL and will no longer count against the Salary Cap for their team. It nullifies the current contract that the player was under but the team still keeps the rights to said player.

A perfect example is Jason Witten. Witten retired while still under contract to the Cowboys. He filed his paperwork with the league. That is why the Cowboys got Salary Cap space returned to them. Witten had to file paperwork to return to the NFL. He also had to sign a new contract.

Junior Seau had been released by Miami in March when he announced his retirement in August. It was only after the Patriots reached out to him that he filed paperwork to return to the NFL. But it was because Miami had released him that they didn't retain Seau's rights.

Look at the link I gave blue cat. Says it.

To reciprocate, please provide me with the link that says paperwork must be filed with the NFLPA and the NFL to be on the reserved/retired list.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The fact that the Patriots received Cap Credit should be citation enough. Not sure why that isn't clicking for you.

The reality is that we almost never hear that a player has "filed retirement paperwork" with the NFL. We only hear that they've retired.

Sure we do.

Brett Favre Files Retirement Paperwork With The NFL

Romo hasn’t filed retirement paperwork yet (and it doesn’t matter)

Quite frankly I'm wondering if "retirement papers" is more symbolic than an actual binding agreement.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

In his time away from football is irrelevant.

What is "neutral time"? What does that mean?

At any rate he was under the contractual control of the Dallas Cowboys (just like Gronk). He may not have been collecting a W2 but he was 'Boys property unlike Romo who was released.

He was retired. He was NOT on their roster.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Jason Witten Coming Out Of Retirement To Play For Dallas Cowboys Again

The title of the article is "Jason Witten Coming Out OF RETIREMENT To Play for Dallas Cowboys Again."

Definition of RETIREMENT

Please cite where it was reported Gronk filed papers and is officially retired in the eyes of the NFLPA and the league office.

DaBruinz already answered this. It is an established fact. Which NFL team has him on their roster? He is not on the Patriots roster:

New England Patriots Roster | ESPN

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Look at the link I gave blue cat. Says it.

To reciprocate, please provide me with the link that says paperwork must be filed with the NFLPA and the NFL to be on the reserved/retired list.

The link provided does not indicate anything regarding procedure.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He was retired. He was NOT on their roster.

Just because a player is not on the roster it does not mean they are officially retired.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The link provided does not indicate anything regarding procedure.

Ok.

Please show me the procedure.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The title of the article is "Jason Witten Coming Out OF RETIREMENT To Play for Dallas Cowboys Again."

Definition of RETIREMENT




DaBruinz already answered this. It is an established fact. Which NFL team has him on their roster? He is not on the Patriots roster:

New England Patriots Roster | ESPN

Not really.

Lets keep this debate simple.

You and DaBruinz are saying he signed paperwork making it official.

I say all Gronk did was tell the team he was retiring and subsequently he is not on the roster nor is he counting towards the cap.

What is the paperwork? What did he sign? Does it even matter?

Sorry but you two have not explained that.

 

[Ivan]

This is going to be a really long thread.

 

[TruthSeeker]

This is going to be a really long thread.

Quite right. I would have thought that the cap relief would have been a decisive point, but this seems to be as bad as arguing with Andy Johnson. At any rate, the vast majority of us are convinced.

 

[Triumph]

Are they remaking the Terminator (2)? Doesn't require much acting and he's got the gun down alright

May as well.

Arnold has turned into a Social Justice Snowflake apologizing for everything.

 

[Triumph]

Quite right. I would have thought that the cap relief would have been a decisive point, but this seems to be as bad as arguing with Andy Johnson. At any rate, the vast majority of us are convinced.

This is no different than the Pats declining to pickup a players option allowing him to be a FA and then the Pats resign the same player later on.

See Danny Shelton.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

This is no different than the Pats declining to pickup a players option allowing him to be a FA and then the Pats resign the same player later on.

See Danny Shelton.

Nope

 

[SammyBlueCat]

@robertweathers what is your point? Are saying Gronk's retirement is a hoax? Stop being so silly!!!

I do not have access to the documents however here are the man's words:

"It all started at 20 years old on stage at the NFL draft when my dream came true, and now here I am about to turn 30 in a few months with a decision I feel is the biggest of my life so far. I will be retiring from the game of football today,"

Rob Gronkowski announces his retirement from the NFL on Instagram

 

[SammyBlueCat]

The Patriots have made their official moves following Rob Gronkowski announcing his retirement over the weekend. On Tuesday, the team placed the three-time Super Bowl champion tight end on the reserve/retired list. That essentially means that Gronk will not count towards their 90-man roster and the move clears up around $9 million in cap space for New England.

Patriots place Rob Gronkowski on reserve/retired list

Could all of this change? Sure. Is it likely to change? Speculate away...

 

[XLIX]

Some people are funny.

First a group of posters were saying there is no written proof that Gronk actually retired.

Now that it has been determined that he actually did file papers, the papers are not binding.

I can’t speak to what other people said, all I can do is speak to what I said. I merely asked what does it mean to “officially” retire? Is publicly announcing a retirement “official”? Is filing the paperwork “official”?

You can call it “official” all you want and that does nothing to change the fact that whether you announce it publicly or not and whether you file the paperwork or not, none of the above is actually binding.

 

[XLIX]

Reserve/Retired means that the player has filed their paperwork with the NFL and will no longer count against the Salary Cap for their team.

This is where your mistake is. A player can be given the roster designation “reserve/retired” without necessarily filing his retirement paperwork.

I neither know nor care whether Gronk filed his retirement papers. All I am saying is the fact that the Patriots got cap relief does not prove that he did.

 

[Triumph]

Patriots place Rob Gronkowski on reserve/retired list

Could all of this change? Sure. Is it likely to change? Speculate away...

You just defeated your own argument.

Hahaha