Could the Patriots Win a SB With Hoyer as the Starting QB?

[tasmlab]

If the D can hold every team to 3 like in the super bowl than probably so.

But they needed every ounce of the best of Brady for a lot of recent playoff games, like KC last year, 28-3, Seahawks, formations gag Ravens game, even the Jaguars AFCCG. I don't see it happening with Hoyer.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

If Hoyer wins the SB, EVERYONE would say Brady is a system QB....

 

[Aßßynormal]

If you have an opinion that says "NO!, Impossible". Then why do you think we keep him? Teams have won with their backup, the Giants, the Eagles (ouch) ..... it happens. If BB doesn't think we win with Hoyer than offer him a coaching job and go with the developmental Stidham.

IMO, if he's on this team then BB thinks we can win with him. It would make no sense otherwise. So, let's see if he makes the team.

 

[Hyped]

While I suppose it is within the realm of possibility....we lived through the '01 season...anything is possible after living that....I have no interest in seeing this scenario bear out...Tommy all the way until someone drags him kicking and screaming off the field.....

 

[Arialgg]

First off, I by no means am suggesting the Pats chances of winning a SB without Brady wouldn't go down big time. Obviously Brady gives the team the best chance to win it all. Nor am I suggesting Brady is a system QB. He's the GOAT.

But let's say Hoyer was the starting QB for the entire 2019 season. What do you think the team's final record be? Is it possible BB wins it all with Hoyer as the starter?

No.

 

[luuked]

6-8 wins which is why Belichick's impact is vastly overrated and Brady is the most impactful person/coach/GM/owner/player in NFL history.

This team goes as Tom goes.

Would not be an offseason without another set of intellectually lazy and reductive statements in the pointless Brady/BB debate. Both would have not been close to who they are today if they had not found each other.

 

[XLIX]

If you have an opinion that says "NO!, Impossible". Then why do you think we keep him?

Well, ya kinda need a backup. I don't see us winning a SB playing Hoyer, but I do see him as capable of going 3-3/4-2 over a 6 week period if we lost Brady for that amount of time. That's why he's here.

IMO, if he's on this team then BB thinks we can win with him. It would make no sense otherwise. So, let's see if he makes the team.

It could be a mere matter of best option available for the position. QBs don't exactly grow on trees, nor do the talented ones come cheap.

 

[SBLIII]

If Hoyer wins the SB, EVERYONE would say Brady is a system QB....

who cares?

 

[Joker]

the billions of Brady haters care....

 

[denverpatsfan]

Hey if the opposing team in the Super Bowl sits its top cornerback, anything is possible....

 

[patfanken]

Hoyer is a long way and a lot of season ending injuries away from his Cleveland Browns days.

Hopefully after a 2 years stretch in this system, he'd actually be a bit better than he was in Cleveland and Houston.

 

[ChessToCheckers]

The Broncos won the SB with "An Over-The-Cliff Forehead" and a fabulous defense, which really pissed me off I might add!

That leads me to believe that Hoyer could as well.

That said, I think it would be highly unlikely.

 

[1960Pats]

the billions of Brady haters care....

I sort of enjoy that the haters care, especially when Brady keeps winning.

My biggest question is why the hate? Did Goodell's lies and fake news during defamegate really hurt him that much? From everything I see he's a very upstanding young man. Always has been.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

lmao. Hoyer has no shot.

 

[BTTA]

This thread isn't about the value of Brady or the capability of Hoyer. It is asking this question: with an average, or just below average NFL QB, is the Pats' 2019 run game, system offense, defense, and ST capable of pulling off an improbable SB win?

I like the intellectual exercise. What else to do in the offseason? To make this into anything more than that is to react the same way the WEEI pundits do - looking for something to be offended by and pessimistic about.

I think it would be possible, but the ball would have to bounce the right way a lot of times, and the coaching staff would have to be remarkably creative and take risks they normally don't. I think this edition of the defense can be one of the best ever. So, low odds, but possible.

 

[Tony2046]

If you have an opinion that says "NO!, Impossible". Then why do you think we keep him? Teams have won with their backup, the Giants, the Eagles (ouch) ..... it happens. If BB doesn't think we win with Hoyer than offer him a coaching job and go with the developmental Stidham.

IMO, if he's on this team then BB thinks we can win with him. It would make no sense otherwise. So, let's see if he makes the team.

I think he adds value to the team in other ways. Helps Brady dissect defenses during game day and in the film room etc. He could win a few games during the regular season but three top teams in a row?? I doubt it. He had a great opportunity in Houston to prove it and came up short.

 

[The Boston Patriot]

No. I doubt the team would make the playoffs. I hold the opinion that any player who plays in the NFL is a talent and I think Hoyer has some but unfortunately he sits on the lower, if not the lowest, rung of the active QB's.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Hey if the opposing team in the Super Bowl sits its top cornerback, anything is possible....

It would be really nice if Belichick would, at some point, explain this decision. After all, any explanation requires that one of two things be true:

• Belichick did not believe that winning the Super Bowl was his highest priority, or
• He believed that, somehow, he had a better chance of winning without Butler than he did with Butler.

I don't think you can craft a plausible explanation without one of those two assumptions.

 

[ALP]

I am using his career, particularly the time he was Cleveland qb and single hand idly started bringing that team back out of laughable status until the FO started screwing it up again

I think we’d would make playoffs, depending on opponent win a game, and I wouldn’t put a SB as a certain I
ImPossibility

A BB and Hoyer team is still better than around 28 other teams in the NFL, but not the best, as we are w Brady, and to get from 4th best to 1st best it’s exponential increase not linear, for those thinking Brady only giving us 4 spots isn’t realistic

 

[supafly]

Well, ya kinda need a backup. I don't see us winning a SB playing Hoyer, but I do see him as capable of going 3-3/4-2 over a 6 week period if we lost Brady for that amount of time. That's why he's here.

Exactly. His knowledge of our system alone likely puts him in a very limited category of guys that would be considered for the job in that type of situation.

If Brady is hurt for 6 games or something and would have the capacity to return later in the season, then we hope that Hoyer can run the majority of the offense and go .500.

The idea of him being good enough to carry the team to a SB victory is borderline insane, though.