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  1. brdmaverick

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    But he did tip that pass and NOT because he knew there was a penalty..........so sorry, no wash.
     
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    203Pat In the Starting Line-Up

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    The homerism knows no bounds.
     
  3. A Defiant Goose

    A Defiant Goose In the Starting Line-Up

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    Ok but Dee Ford was offsides and it didn't matter lol. Two bad luck plays that cancelled each other out. Like....literally
     
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    It’s a Patsfans site in case you continue to be confused.
     
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    203Pat In the Starting Line-Up

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    So as a Pats fan I should think Brian Hoyer can lead this team to a Super Bowl?
     
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    Think whatever you like, I’m just saying you shouldn’t be surprised by homerism here. I think Hoyer has practice value but I have no idea if he can still play in an NFL regular season game or not and I’d rather not find out. That said, I’m not surprised that someone tried to support a scenario where it could happen. Crazier things have been said here and on other teams’ sites and will continue to be posted as long as there are fans.
     
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    I suppose I have to now explain the difference............

    Players not executing up to their normal standards happens, I'm talking about an instance when something that had zero influence on the play itself bailed the team out.

    There are some plays in which you can say that the penalty influenced the outcome of a play.

    Here's some examples...

    Example 1) An INT thrown in which a defender committed pass interference to get into position to make the interception.

    Example 2) An INT thrown on a 'wishful throw' that was thrown ONLY because the QB knew he had a free play.

    That did NOT happen here. Other than ultimately having a flag on him, Dee Ford had zero influence on the play. Whether he was where he was or two feet back (in an onside position) the play would have transpired the same. The only difference is that with him being offsides, the entire play was nullified.

    Another situation would be 2007 at Baltimore. The Pats were stuffed on 4th down on that last drive. The game was and should have been over. The Pats lost, or at least would have, if they had not been bailed out by Rex Ryan's ill-fated time out.

    And even if accepted your position, it would still only strengthen the overall point being made........it just further confirms that the Pats had a small margin of victory. The margin was so small it would not have survived a Gronk mistake. Do we think that margin of victory increases or that all the other players' abilities to make mistakes goes down with Hoyer? i would think not.
     
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    Don't overanalyze it dude. We got lucky they were offsides, they got lucky Gronk dropped a wide open pass. Obviously Hoyer doesn't get us a SB appearance or win last year when the field included the top 3 teams in the league. Not that this thread is about 2018 anyway
     
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    A perfect example is Payton Manning with his last team.
     
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    The only approval he needs is Bill's.
     
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    yes, as the qb for the other team.
     
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