Reports/Speculation: Texans will pursue Caserio AGAIN after 2020 Draft/UPDATE - Rumor: He wants out

[Bourne Again Christian]

Imagine firing your GM swinging for Caserio or Monti and landing on Ray Farmer.

 

[fnordcircle]

Both but more the screwing over.

What's the technicality or is it just one that you imagine exists somewhere in the rules? Because this

This is key:

March 1 Rule. After March 1 of any year and through the conclusion of the annual Selection Meeting, if an inquiring club seeks permission to discuss employment with a person who is under contract for the succeeding season or seasons to another club, to offer him or her a position as a high-level club employee, the employer club is under no obligation to grant such permission if such persons current responsibilities include gathering information on and evaluating draft-eligible players or veteran free agent players. At the discretion of the employer club, however, such permission may be voluntarily granted.​

Seems pretty cut and dried.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Why are people assuming throwing money and a shiny title at Nick makes this go away or even necessary?

Here's the relevant rule:

“An individual who is the primary football executive for the club and who has:

(i) The primary authority over all personnel decisions related to the signing of free agents, the selection of players in the College Draft, trades and related decisions; and
(ii) The primary responsibility for coordinating other football activities with the head coach.

Final authority regarding the composition of the 53-player roster is not a requirement.

Except as may be otherwise provided in such contract, a club is not obligated to grant another club permission to discuss employment with a high level employee if he or she is under contract even in the inquiring club is prepared to offer the employee a position of greater responsibility within the category of high-level club employee. “

That’s where I’m at on this. If he leaves it’s not due to a title/lack of title. It’s about control and final say on all football decisions, something he won’t have here regardless of being given the title of GM.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I can only see a few scenarios, though some are more far-fetched than others.

Caserio wants to leave, does or does not get tampered with and the team is suspicious due to the timing/circumstances so they file these charges as a way to get it investigated.

Caserio wants to leave, gets tampered with, still wants to leave but is a Good Guy and let the team know.

Caserio wants to stay, gets tampered with and lets the team know.

The team could file tampering charges but still let the guy go. A higher up at my company (dunkin donuts) once told me to talk to them before I start looking elsewhere because once you decide, in your heart, that you're out the door of an organization it's pretty much impossible to put that genie back in the bottle and resume giving a good effort again. If Caserio wants to go I don't know if it is smart to force him to stay here, at all. Especially given that in his position he could become bitter and could intentionally or unintentionally do some damage to our roster building this year and due to the nature of the way roster management works it's not like it would catch up to him for a few years. I'm not talking mega conspiracy stuff I'm saying just idk, mailing it in on his part of evaluations or, more out there, leaking info to his future team to improve his chances there. That's kind of silly spy vs. spy stuff, but I still am not sure I see the value in keeping someone who wants out.

Exactly.

BB can still grant permission to speak to/hire Nick but for a price.

 

[Richard Camembert]

Contract lasts until at least 2020 per BSPN:

Sources: Pats sign exec Caserio to extension

 

[fnordcircle]

That’s where I’m at on this. If he leaves it’s not due to a title/lack of title. It’s about control and final say on all football decisions, something he won’t have here regardless of being given the title of GM.

One possible positive to draw from this is that if Caserio leaves it could just mean that he's reading the tea leaves and sees no end in sight for Belichick's tenure with the team. I'll happily watch a lot of our people leave if it means that Bill is sticking around for a while.

 

[RobertWeathers]

W

Well, that's what Curran, Phil Perry and Jeff Howe all suggested. I didn't hear any other possible explanations.

Maybe its true but in my experience when another company comes around and offers you 5x salary, more responsibility and a fancy title the reason you leave is not because the current company's CEO cheated on his wife.

But thats just me but im a ****ty Catholic

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

What's the technicality or is it just one that you imagine exists somewhere in the rules? Because this




Seems pretty cut and dried.

Honestly I'm of the belief in my experience that the person with the most power Goodell in this case can always find a technicality to work in their favor.
I mean the man suspended Brady over the Ideal Gas Law for God Sakes I can never trust him that he will do the correct thing ever again.

 

[Wheelman]

We just need Kraft to have a press conference now where he lists out 3 players that the Texans should give us in exchange for Caserio and then it'll be like we're back in the 90s!

Ha! Who do you think is the commissioner right now, Tagliabue?

 

[rochrist]

Easterby's current role with Houston as described yesterday by O'Brien on PFT absolutely defines him as "a real football guy.". He's doing far more than blessing the fleet and hearing confessions.

The point is, Easterby has zero background in football. I'm not sure what 'more' he could be doing since his entre into the field was as a chaplain.

 

[captain insano]

Who knows? But, I'd guess soon.

it's driving me nuts. I can't believe at this point of the season they might lose yet another key piece of their team.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That’s where I’m at on this. If he leaves it’s not due to a title/lack of title. It’s about control and final say on all football decisions, something he won’t have here regardless of being given the title of GM.

Right.

Nick leaves because he needs a new challenge and wants to raise his profile.

My understanding is he and his MA native wife have 3 small children. Its the end of the school year.

If hes gonna leave, now is the time.

 

[IcyPatriot]

So the holy roller was the holy troller or Judas?

 

[rochrist]

Easterby was a cap/football ops guy for JAX back in the mid 2000s. It was a low-level role but to discuss "opportunities" at a SB ring event is poor. He knew better.

Hes ambitious and corruptible just like everyone else.

Note he worked in that role (at the very lowest level BTW), for about ten minutes and then quite to go to theological school.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Between ACE High School and Bible College as well as self-study leading me to leave the faith I think I'm good, but I appreciate the offer! Still, that's pretty funny that you actually wrote a sermon involving this.

Interesting, I never knew that about you. Let me know if you ever want to come back, haha. Happy to talk anytime, though I'm sure you've moved on.

Mostly I talk football on here (particularly the draft), but I'm a Sunday School coordinator at our church and I fill in several times a year when our pastor is ill or out of town, so I'm always working on a sermon or lesson in my spare time. This probably isn't the forum for that discussion, but I really enjoy studying and teaching the Bible. Maybe the Patriots can hire me to fill the void left by Easterby -- I promise that I won't poach anyone from the front office if I ever leave!

Re: tampering, if the Patriots didn't receive any compensation after the Revis fiasco, then I strongly suspect that nothing will come of this allegation, either. Even if the Texans are found guilty, don't expect much to happen. Lest we forget, this is from the Jets reporter, Mehta, regarding the tampering with Revis:

“Team officials in stealth mode communicated with Revis, Inc., through private cell phones and face-to-face covert meetings at the 2015 Scouting Combine rather than make calls from the team's landlines at their Florham Park facility. No paper trails were a must.

“Johnson, the driving force behind bringing back Revis to right a wrong in his mind, endorsed all of it.”

Tom E. Curran: New York Jets' 2015 tampering with Darrelle Revis more extensive than NFL revealed

Jets' 2015 Revis tampering was exponentially worse than initially reported

 

[RobertWeathers]

Note he worked in that role (at the very lowest level BTW), for about ten minutes and then quite to go to theological school.

Correct. My point is its not like he taught Sunday school before joining NE.

JAX, KC and NE....he's been around long enough to know better.

He was doing Satan's bidding.

 

[aluminum seats]

Eh, it’s a win-win. If he stays he stays so great. If he leaves, screw him this team’s all about Belichick anyway so good riddance.

 

[Wheelman]

This is key:

March 1 Rule. After March 1 of any year and through the conclusion of the annual Selection Meeting, if an inquiring club seeks permission to discuss employment with a person who is under contract for the succeeding season or seasons to another club, to offer him or her a position as a high-level club employee, the employer club is under no obligation to grant such permission if such persons current responsibilities include gathering information on and evaluating draft-eligible players or veteran free agent players. At the discretion of the employer club, however, such permission may be voluntarily granted.​

What is the annual selection meeting? The draft?

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Rap thinks he ends up a Texan
Sickening
Houston Texans could send draft pick for Nick Caserio

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Uh, wtf dude, I had cleared my schedule to argue with you for like 3 hours now what the hell am I supposed to do?

I was going to respond to you “who’s car we gonna take”