Patriots 53 man roster post draft

[captain stone]

Updated picker (WWBD version):

QB (2) T.Brady, J.Stidham

RB (6) J.Develin, B.Bolden, J.White, R.Burkhead, S.Michel, D.Harris

WR (4) J.Edelman, N.Harry, P.Dorsett, D.Inman

TE (3) B.Watson, A.Seferian-Jenkins, M.LaCosse

C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (4) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, C.Croston, Y.Cajuste

DE (4) M.Bennett, D.Wise, J.Simon, C.Winovich
DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, A.Butler, D.Shelton

ILB(2) E.Roberts, J.Bentley
OLB(4) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King

CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Jones, J.Williams, J.Jackson, D.Dawson

SS (2) P.Chung, N.Ebner
FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks

ST (4) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona, M.Slater

Total players: 53
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[catent]

Collins isn’t exactly a lock, either, though, so it’s going to be an interesting battle. We’ll have to see how he looks in coverage, these days.

I'm not Belichick but I doubt Collins' roster spot will be contingent upon on his ability to cover man-to-man.

Similar to the Chung situation, I suspect Belichick will attempt to utilize Collins in a way that's more conducive to his skill-set. I expect a lot of pass-rushing, blitzing, and utilization as a robber/roamer in the short-middle of the field, along with sideline-to-sideline pursuit, sort of as a ball-hawking safety would.

I doubt he will be expected to cover man-to-man particularly often, or particularly well.

 

[ralmat55]

I’ve dusted off my crystal ball and this is what I see as of today:

QB (3) Brady, Hoyer, Stidham

RB (5) Michel, White, Harris,Bolden, Develin
Rex Burkhead goes on the post 53 IR as his concussion issues make it difficult for him to make it through 16 games, so he’s On IR to protect him for after Halloween football.

TE (3) Rudolph, Watson, Lacosse
The Patriots trade for Rudolph who gets a contract extension after the trade. They try to sneak Ryan Izzo to the PS but it sucks that half of last year’s Patriot assistants now coach in Miami.

WR (5) Edelman, Gordon, Harry, Myers, R. Davis
Matt Slater gets the same treatment as R. Burkhead. D. Thomas starts season on PUP and will be able to come off it about the time Gordon shucks his caretaker again. Gordon and Martavis Bryant get time served from The Commissioner and start the season in hopes they can salvage their lives and not just their football careers. Yes, 3 rookies, but I’ve found them all very impressive in the video I’ve watched. All have fantastic short area quickness and I’ll keep them over Phil Dorsett who I also really like as a 4th receiver type.

OL (8) Wynn, Thuney, Andrews, Mason, Cannon, Schwenke, Cajuste, Froholdt
Only 7 dress on game day. Thuney and Froholdt gets reps at T in practice. Veldheer’s retirement hurts because he was better than the rookies and journeymen already on the 90 man roster. I’m not sure any of the other available tackles are so you might as well develop the St. Louis, Skippers and Crostons of the world rather than sign Ulrick John or Matt Tobin.

DL (9) Bennett, Guy, Pennel, Wise, Butler, Shelton, Winovich, Simon, K. Davis
Keionta Davis is now the proud possessor of the incriminating photos Jake Bequette once had.

LB (6) Hightower, Van Noy, Bentley, Collins, Roberts, King

CB (6) Gilmore, Jackson, Williams. J. McCourty, Dawson, Crossen
Jones is traded to Detroit at the final cutdown. Crossen is the best gunner the Pats have drafted since Slater, so he makes the 53.

S (5) D. McCourty, Chung, Harmon, Brooks, Ebner

ST (3) Gostkowski, Bailey, Cardona

 

[supafly]

I'm not Belichick but I doubt Collins' roster spot will be contingent upon on his ability to cover man-to-man.

Similar to the Chung situation, I suspect Belichick will attempt to utilize Collins in a way that's more conducive to his skill-set. I expect a lot of pass-rushing, blitzing, and utilization as a robber/roamer in the short-middle of the field, along with sideline-to-sideline pursuit, sort of as a ball-hawking safety would.

I doubt he will be expected to cover man-to-man particularly often, or particularly well.

Agreed, although one could argue that the quicker athleticism is what would set him apart from someone like Roberts, so that was more of my point. You’re right to point out that it may not be exclusive to coverage ability, alone.

 

[Flash]

QB (3) T.Brady, B.Hoyer, J.Stidham
RB (6) S.Michel, J.Develin, R.Burkhead, J.White, D.Harris, B.Bolden
WR (5) J.Edelman, N.Harry, P.Dorsett, D.Inman, M.Slater
TE (3) B.Watson, M.LaCosse, A.SeferianJenkins
C (1) D.Andrews
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (4) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, Y.Cajuste, C.Croston
DE (4) M.Bennett, D.Wise, C.Winovich, J.Simon
DT (4) L.Guy, A.Butler, M.Pennel, B.Cowart
ILB(2) J.Bentley, E.Roberts
OLB(4) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King
CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Williams, J.Jackson, D.Dawson, J.Jones
SS (2) P.Chung, N.Ebner
FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona

Total players: 53
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Looking at dead cap I think this makes sense. Ideally, we don't carry that many RBs but Bolden and Burkhead's dead cap are pretty high, so unless a pre-season trade happens, they will both make the team. Same with Duke Dawson, since I prefer Crossen making the team as an extra ST guy but Dawson's dead cap is significant enough that I don't think it happens. Ted Karras becomes a cap casualty which is unfortunate.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Updated picker (WWBD version):

QB (2) T.Brady, J.Stidham

RB (6) J.Develin, B.Bolden, J.White, R.Burkhead, S.Michel, D.Harris

WR (4) J.Edelman, N.Harry, P.Dorsett, D.Inman

TE (3) B.Watson, A.Seferian-Jenkins, M.LaCosse

C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (4) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, C.Croston, Y.Cajuste

DE (4) M.Bennett, D.Wise, J.Simon, C.Winovich
DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, A.Butler, D.Shelton

ILB(2) E.Roberts, J.Bentley
OLB(4) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King

CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Jones, J.Williams, J.Jackson, D.Dawson

SS (2) P.Chung, N.Ebner
FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks

ST (4) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona, M.Slater

Total players: 53
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Good job Cap. Only things I see a little different would be Hoyer and another DL {Rivers)over 9th OL(Croston)and Burkhead or Bolden.

I think we can get a comparable OL on practice squad. Izzo could push one of TE’s you mention. If Cowart flashes in camp he won’t clear wavers. DT’s are too valuable. In that case, I keep him over Ebner. I know. I’ll get a 4 week suspension for suggesting we cut Nate.

 

[captain stone]

Good job Cap.

Thanks, but remember this is the What Would Bill Do version in which he keeps almost All of his pets & STs "aces." My WWID version posted earlier keeps almost None of them.

Only things I see a little different would be Hoyer and another DL {Rivers) over 9th OL (Croston) and Burkhead or Bolden. I think we can get a comparable OL on practice squad.

So do I, but Bill seems to like Croston for some undeserved reason; and that's why in this version he stays but in my version he goes.
Regarding Hoyer: if this were a 54-man roster then he would stay, but even in Bill's version he has to go in order to make room for all of his pets & STs "aces." In a perfect TC, Stidham proves worthy of #133 overall and Hoyer trades his helmet for a whistle.

Izzo could push one of TE’s you mention.

He could indeed, and in my version both he & Mister Anderson make the 53 at the expense of the less-than-useless LaCost.

If Cowart flashes in camp he won’t clear wavers. DT’s are too valuable. In that case, I keep him over Ebner. I know. I’ll get a 4 week suspension for suggesting we cut Nate.

I can see 5 DTs being kept...and as I've stated in other posts & in other threads, I don't understand why Ebner's spot on the 53 should be considered out of reach...It's been 7 years now; shouldn't our ostensible backup SS have at least a modicum of ability to actually play the position?

 

[Bruins29]

RB (5) Michel, White, Harris,Bolden, Develin
Rex Burkhead goes on the post 53 IR as his concussion issues make it difficult for him to make it through 16 games, so he’s On IR to protect him for after Halloween football.

I can not recall that Pats ever just placing someone on IR because they feared he might get injured. That is not how this team operates. If he is healthy he will play. If he is injured, he will not.

Also, he is an important player as shown by the confidence the team had in him during the last playoff run.

And, even if they were concerned about his health an wanted to "stash" him for later then they could just leave him on the active PUP and then reserve PUP him after the 53. Why use a valuable IR return spot for a player you knew was not going to play anyway until week 9? With PUP you get him back in week 7.

The only disadvantage of PUP VS IR Post 53 is that Rex would miss about a month and a half of training camp. I think he knows the system well enough where that does not matter and the extra IR return spot is more valuable than that.

 

[SBLIII]

Good job Cap. Only things I see a little different would be Hoyer and another DL {Rivers)over 9th OL(Croston)and Burkhead or Bolden.

I think we can get a comparable OL on practice squad. Izzo could push one of TE’s you mention. If Cowart flashes in camp he won’t clear wavers. DT’s are too valuable. In that case, I keep him over Ebner. I know. I’ll get a 4 week suspension for suggesting we cut Nate.

I hope Ebner becomes expendable, we use that cap space.

 

[mgteich]

I will search my soul. Something is seriously wrong. I agree with your entire 53 man roster.

Obviously, lots can happen between now and the 2nd game, when we tend to lock down our roster. Clearly, there are still more transactions even after that date.

Updated picker (WWBD version):

QB (2) T.Brady, J.Stidham

RB (6) J.Develin, B.Bolden, J.White, R.Burkhead, S.Michel, D.Harris

WR (4) J.Edelman, N.Harry, P.Dorsett, D.Inman

TE (3) B.Watson, A.Seferian-Jenkins, M.LaCosse

C (2) D.Andrews, T.Karras
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (4) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, C.Croston, Y.Cajuste

DE (4) M.Bennett, D.Wise, J.Simon, C.Winovich
DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, A.Butler, D.Shelton

ILB(2) E.Roberts, J.Bentley
OLB(4) D.Hightower, K.VanNoy, J.Collins, B.King

CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Jones, J.Williams, J.Jackson, D.Dawson

SS (2) P.Chung, N.Ebner
FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks

ST (4) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona, M.Slater

Total players: 53
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[luuked]

Here is Lazars first projection:

Lazar's 53-Man Roster Projection 1.0: Patriots Have Challenging Cuts Ahead of Them | CLNS Media

Go see the whole article for some insight but a few things of note:

• 3 QBs:

Based on Thursday’s practice, Stidham would have to dramatically improve over the next few months to push Brian Hoyer off the roster. Stidham struggled with his timing and knowledge of the system, which is no surprise for a rookie. But there was a noticeable difference in play from Hoyer to Stidham

• 4 WR and Harris over Inman:

As for Harris, after watching practice on Thursday, the Pats seem to have a specialized role in mind for the former Redskins receiver that’s similar to what Cordarrelle Patterson did for them last season. His speed as a ball carrier took me by surprise. Dontrelle Inman is the odd man out.

• Bailey over Allen as punter
• He has Gordon and DT starting suspended/PUP

 

[captain stone]

I will search my soul. Something is seriously wrong. I agree with your entire 53 man roster...

Understandable, because that's the What Would Bill Do version. The What Would I Do version is, shall we say, just a little different:

Updated picker (WWID version):

QB (2) T.Brady, J.Stidham
- Hoyer "retires" to become QB coach;

RB (5) J.Develin, J.White, R.Burkhead, S.Michel, D.Harris
- No room for Bolden here, and Devlin & Burkhead both play STs too;

WR (4) J.Edelman, N.Harry, P.Dorsett, D.Inman
- Nobody else really stands above the rest;

TE (4) B.Watson, A.Seferian-Jenkins, S.Anderson, R.Izzo
- While Bill sees what he has in Watson & ASJ, Mister Anderson can help in the passing game and Ryan no relation to Larry Izzo can help in the running game. LaCost doesn't help anywhere, and Beck goes to the PS;

C (2) D.Andrews, B.Schwenke
G (3) S.Mason, J.Thuney, H.Froholdt
T (4) M.Cannon, I.Wynn, TBD, Y.Cajuste (C.Croston if Cajuste is PUPed)
- If I were Bill, I would not abide with Cajuste/Croston as our only backup OT, so I added TBD until further notice;

DE (5) M.Bennett, D.Wise, J.Simon, C.Winovich, D.Rivers
DT (4) L.Guy, M.Pennel, D.Shelton, A.Butler
- Rivers gets one more chance, and Simon also assumes the duties of Punt Protector;

ILB(2) D.Hightower, J.Bentley
OLB(3) K.VanNoy, J.Collins, C.Sam
- Sam has the TC of his life and makes both Roberts & King superfluous;

CB (6) S.Gilmore, J.McCourty, J.Jones, J.Williams, D.Dawson, J.Jackson

SS (2) P.Chung, O.Melifonwu
FS (3) D.McCourty, D.Harmon, T.Brooks
- ObiWan also has the TC of his life and makes Ebner superfluous;

ST (4) S.Gostkowski, J.Bailey, J.Cardona, M.Slater

Total players: 53
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[captain stone]

Here is Lazars first projection:

Lazar's 53-Man Roster Projection 1.0: Patriots Have Challenging Cuts Ahead of Them | CLNS Media

Go see the whole article for some insight but a few things of note:

• 3 QBs

• 4 WR and Harris over Inman

• Bailey over Allen as punter

• He has Gordon and DT starting suspended/PUP

I haven't even the slightest idea what in the world they see in Mo Harris.

 

[captain stone]

RB (6) S.Michel, J.Develin, R.Burkhead, J.White, D.Harris, B.Bolden


Looking at dead cap I think this makes sense. Ideally, we don't carry that many RBs but Bolden and Burkhead's dead cap are pretty high, so unless a pre-season trade happens, they will both make the team...

Very disappointed that Bill structured Bolden's contract in such a manner that releasing him would cause a high dead cap #. Whom exactly was Bill attempting to out-bid for Bolden's "services" that he thought he had to do it this way?

 

[supafly]

Here is Lazars first projection:

Lazar's 53-Man Roster Projection 1.0: Patriots Have Challenging Cuts Ahead of Them | CLNS Media

Go see the whole article for some insight but a few things of note:

• 3 QBs:

• 4 WR and Harris over Inman:

• Bailey over Allen as punter
• He has Gordon and DT starting suspended/PUP

I have a hard time imagining a roster where Hoyer doesn’t remain as the backup. It’s something that people will debate all summer long, but I never really saw much of an argument. I think Bill was prepared to keep 3 QBs the whole time.

 

[DarrylS]

I have a hard time imagining a roster where Hoyer doesn’t remain as the backup. It’s something that people will debate all summer long, but I never really saw much of an argument. I think Bill was prepared to keep 3 QBs the whole time.

As much as I agree, we still cannot assess the progress of Danny Ettling. I know he looked bad in last years preseason, but with a year under his belt there are a lot of unknowns..

Backup QB's are difficult to assess even in TC, as they often seem to not get the opportunity to play with starting receivers as much as #12.. difficult to change that, but a reality. Guess film study of practice can tell BB & crew more..

 

[supafly]

As much as I agree, we still cannot assess the progress of Danny Ettling. I know he looked bad in last years preseason, but with a year under his belt there are a lot of unknowns..

Backup QB's are difficult to assess even in TC, as they often seem to not get the opportunity to play with starting receivers as much as #12.. difficult to change that, but a reality. Guess film study of practice can tell BB & crew more..

Solid point, although I don’t see them getting rid of Stidham either, of course. After all, he is a recent mid-round draft pick, and they’d never be able to sneak him onto the PS.

Etling seems to be a different story, and I don’t think they’d have much trouble getting him through to the PS after keeping Brady, Hoyer, and Stidham.

 

[luuked]

Etling seems to be a different story, and I don’t think they’d have much trouble getting him through to the PS after keeping Brady, Hoyer, and Stidham.

If they want to continue working with Etling this seems like the most likely scenario. That being said I would argue that whatever development and growth he has been through in the past year didn't put him onto any "exciting future track" otherwise we would have not drafted Stidham this year.

Like I said before I would not be surprised if he is not on the roster either before camp or a week into camp. It would benefit his development if there are other teams where he would have a shot at QB3 reps. Because here he will get maybe a series a day which really won't do much for him.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Solid point, although I don’t see them getting rid of Stidham either, of course. After all, he is a recent mid-round draft pick, and they’d never be able to sneak him onto the PS.

Etling seems to be a different story, and I don’t think they’d have much trouble getting him through to the PS after keeping Brady, Hoyer, and Stidham.

Over the years we've seen multiple teams pick up our backups. I would not be surprised if HOU, TN or DET

 

[farn]

I hope Ebner becomes expendable, we use that cap space.

STs from 2014-2017. Dependable. Until mid season ST changes, 2018 was scary. I can live with an extra 4th down punt or two if it means we cover... I hope Ebner sticks.