Patriots 53 man roster post draft

[Ring 6]

LaCosse is not a in-line blocker. Hes more of an H-back.

Sure but any 2 of the TEs plus devlin plus an OL can be enough. 3 active TEs would be a surprise unless one is a primary ster.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Sure but any 2 of the TEs plus devlin plus an OL can be enough. 3 active TEs would be a surprise unless one is a primary ster.

They've had 2 TEs and a H-back/TE3 multiple times in the 2010s. What i'm suggesting is the norm.

 

[mgteich]

Only 22 defensive players seems light.

I think this is pretty normal. Perhaps, we'll trade Jones and add another front six player.
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It is always possible to have only 22 on offense plus Slater and Bolden. But where would you cut a position? I'm already down to 2 TE's and 4 WR's to get to 25. What do you suggest?

OFFENSE (25)
QB (3)
RB (4)
WR (4)
OL (9)
FB (1)
TE (2)
ST (2)

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I think this is pretty normal. Perhaps, we'll trade Jones and add another front six player.
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It is always possible to have only 22 on offense plus Slater and Bolden. But where would you cut a position? I'm already down to 2 TE's and 4 WR's to get to 25. What do you suggest?

OFFENSE (25)
QB (3)
RB (4)
WR (4)
OL (9)
FB (1)
TE (2)
ST (2)

When the music stops one (or two or three or four) is gonna be left without a chair -- one who many are gonna think we shouldn't cut. This year, right now, it seems the cuts will be tougher than some recent past years (subject to change by August 30).

 

[Ring 6]

They've had 2 TEs and a H-back/TE3 multiple times in the 2010s. What i'm suggesting is the norm.

They did but that’s when it was a TE centric offense. They have equally as often replaced TE3 with a fb or OL.

 

[Ring 6]

I think this is pretty normal. Perhaps, we'll trade Jones and add another front six player.
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It is always possible to have only 22 on offense plus Slater and Bolden. But where would you cut a position? I'm already down to 2 TE's and 4 WR's to get to 25. What do you suggest?

OFFENSE (25)
QB (3)
RB (4)
WR (4)
OL (9)
FB (1)
TE (2)
ST (2)

8 OL
2 QB

 

[Ring 6]

Here is an article in cowart for those expecting him to make the team. Sounds like the most unpatriotlike player to come through the door in a while.

Byron Cowart's winding college journey could make him a perfect Patriot | Boston.com

 

[RobertWeathers]

They did but that’s when it was a TE centric offense. They have equally as often replaced TE3 with a fb or OL.

I agree that is what they have done but I just don't see it changing much from a snap count and personnel standpoint.

Plus we have no idea how any of these WRs (or TEs for that matter) will work out.

We do know that running the ball successfully is critical in the red zone and everywhere else.

Play action will also be part of that.

Some weeks they'll play a lot of 2TE some less.

 

[Zuma]

Never been fan of older ST only players. In a perfect world the younger folk are there while they learn how to be good offensive or defensive players.

I’m a Jones fan but I think he and Burkhead are redundant at their positions. I think / hope they are traded for a DT or TE...or some other position we deem a need.

 

[mgteich]

I'm fine with both.

I'll start a separate thread on OL's.

8 OL
2 QB

 

[Ring 6]

I agree that is what they have done but I just don't see it changing much from a snap count and personnel standpoint.

Plus we have no idea how any of these WRs (or TEs for that matter) will work out.

We do know that running the ball successfully is critical in the red zone and everywhere else.

Play action will also be part of that.

Some weeks they'll play a lot of 2TE some less.

We’ll see. Personally I think the TE is being de emphasized. But even if not, my point is why do we need 3 on the roster? Can’t the OL who is the 3rd TE in jumbo packages fill that role? Can’t devlin at fb be the alternative to an hback? He kind of has been.
I’d be interested to see how often we have had 3 true TEs actually see snaps in a game.
Holister at times was te3 but that was really only for sts.
I think we are more likely to keep 2, have one on the ps in the event of injury, and use the game day active OT3 on short yardage.

I’m positive that at least for the last 5 years or so that OT3 saw more snaps in a te soot than the TE3 did.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm fine with both.

I'll start a separate thread on OL's.

Have we ever carried 9?

 

[AlexB]

Have we ever carried 9?

2 years ago. We typically carry 8 or 9.

 

[RobertWeathers]

We’ll see. Personally I think the TE is being de emphasized. But even if not, my point is why do we need 3 on the roster? Can’t the OL who is the 3rd TE in jumbo packages fill that role? Can’t devlin at fb be the alternative to an hback? He kind of has been.
I’d be interested to see how often we have had 3 true TEs actually see snaps in a game.
Holister at times was te3 but that was really only for sts.
I think we are more likely to keep 2, have one on the ps in the event of injury, and use the game day active OT3 on short yardage.

I’m positive that at least for the last 5 years or so that OT3 saw more snaps in a te soot than the TE3 did.

For me, as I said earlier it's a combination of reasons why they will keep 3 TEs but keep in mind one of them will be LaCosse and he is a "move" TE (IMO a big WR as he played a ton in as a slot WR as well)) so in essence they will only keep two true TEs who can in-line block. I'm guessing it's gonna be Uncle Ben and ASJ as the "in-line" TEs but who knows.

The other reason is - and I agree with you- is they want to de-emphasize the TE in the passing game (if they still had a prime Gronk that would not change) but they still want the schematic, game-plan flexibility, unpredictability element. Having ASJ and Ben on either side gives them that.

Certainly they can get by with only two TEs on the roster and have Dev be the TE3 but with LaCosse also a decent STer (102 snaps last year) he has value aside from being just a move TE.

So net-net, if we want to look at it from a depth chart and not a roster standpoint...

7WR
JE
Harry
Someone
Someone
LaCosse
Someone who can play in the slot
Slater

6RB
Sony
Burk
Harris
White
Bolden
Develin (FB, short yardage RB)

5TE
Watson
ASJ
LaCosse
Develin
Big fat guy

 

[Ring 6]

For me, as I said earlier it's a combination of reasons why they will keep 3 TEs but keep in mind one of them will be LaCosse and he is a "move" TE (IMO a big WR as he played a ton in as a slot WR as well)) so in essence they will only keep two true TEs who can in-line block. I'm guessing it's gonna be Uncle Ben and ASJ as the "in-line" TEs but who knows.

The other reason is - and I agree with you- is they want to de-emphasize the TE in the passing game (if they still had a prime Gronk that would not change) but they still want the schematic, game-plan flexibility, unpredictability element. Having ASJ and Ben on either side gives them that.

Certainly they can get by with only two TEs on the roster and have Dev be the TE3 but with LaCosse also a decent STer (102 snaps last year) he has value aside from being just a move TE.

So net-net, if we want to look at it from a depth chart and not a roster standpoint...

7WR
JE
Harry
Someone
Someone
LaCosse
Someone who can play in the slot
Slater

6RB
Sony
Burk
Harris
White
Bolden
Develin (FB, short yardage RB)

5TE
Watson
ASJ
LaCosse
Develin
Big fat guy

We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Ring 6]

2 years ago. We typically carry 8 or 9.

2 years ago I’m pretty sure we only had 8 total all season even with injuries.

2017 New England Patriots Starters, Roster, & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[mgteich]

For me, the issue IS the roster.

It seems that you are essentially proposing that LeCosse should be considered our 5th WR/ 3rd TE. One possibility is that we keep 4 WR's and 2 TE's.

That gives us
OFFENSE (23-25)
QB (2-3)
WR (4)
TE (2-3)
RB (4)
FB (1)
OL (8)
ST (2)

For me, as I said earlier it's a combination of reasons why they will keep 3 TEs but keep in mind one of them will be LaCosse and he is a "move" TE (IMO a big WR as he played a ton in as a slot WR as well)) so in essence they will only keep two true TEs who can in-line block. I'm guessing it's gonna be Uncle Ben and ASJ as the "in-line" TEs but who knows.

The other reason is - and I agree with you- is they want to de-emphasize the TE in the passing game (if they still had a prime Gronk that would not change) but they still want the schematic, game-plan flexibility, unpredictability element. Having ASJ and Ben on either side gives them that.

Certainly they can get by with only two TEs on the roster and have Dev be the TE3 but with LaCosse also a decent STer (102 snaps last year) he has value aside from being just a move TE.

So net-net, if we want to look at it from a depth chart and not a roster standpoint...

7WR
JE
Harry
Someone
Someone
LaCosse
Someone who can play in the slot
Slater

6RB
Sony
Burk
Harris
White
Bolden
Develin (FB, short yardage RB)

5TE
Watson
ASJ
LaCosse
Develin
Big fat guy

 

[mgteich]

We will have to agree to disagree.

so, you are fine with 4 WR's and 2 TE's, or do you want a 5th receiver instead of a 3rd TE.

 

[Ring 6]

so, you are fine with 4 WR's and 2 TE's, or do you want a 5th receiver instead of a 3rd TE.

Too early to say.
Tell me where Harry, Thomas, dorsett and inman will be at the end of August and I can answer.
If Thomas is ready to roll, Harry has picked up the offense, Inman can contribute (or dorsett) and Edelman is healthy no need for a 5th.
If those things are going slowly we may need all 5 but if not we shouldn’t need both dorsett and inman.

Wr5 is one of the fluid spots.

 

[AlexB]

2 years ago I’m pretty sure we only had 8 total all season even with injuries.

2017 New England Patriots Starters, Roster, & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com

On the opening roster:
Solder
Thuney
Andrews
Mason
Cannon
Waddle
Fleming
Croston

And then we cut and re-signed Karras a few days later, for a total of 9 going into Week 1.

Position-by-position breakdown of New England Patriots' 53-man roster

Patriots sign OL Ted Karras to the 53-man roster from the practice squad; Place WR Malcolm Mitchell on injured reserve; Sign DB Jomal Wiltz to the practice squad