Schefter: Trent Brown 4 years $66 million with Oakland

[BradyFTW!]

Trent Brown had a good year for the Patriots but giving him credit for the SB victory is the sort of hyperbole I would expect from his agent.

Why shouldn't he get credit for the SB win? Do you disagree that, without him at LT, we don't win the SB? There were probably 10 guys who were instrumental enough to the season that we don't win it all without them, and he was one of them.

 

[BradyFTW!]

If we don't win without him, that's giving him credit for the victory. Do you think the Patriots lose the SB with Solder at LT? I don't.

Sure... because they don't make the SB with Solder at LT. Brown was a significant upgrade over Solder, and we needed every bit of that upgrade just to get there.

 

[LJRomanoff]

Why shouldn't he get credit for the SB win? Do you disagree that, without him at LT, we don't win the SB?

Yes, I disagree with that.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Would you have spent what the Raiders spent to keep him here?

Yeah, I have no idea what sport these people are watching because this happens every offseason. We won the SB largely because we had guys like Brown and Flowers on cheap contracts relative to their production. While other teams pay them their new market value based on how they performed for us, Belichick is busily finding the next guys who he'll get cheaply now so that someone else can overpay them in a couple years.

This happens literally every year, I have no idea how anyone can be a Pats fan without having made peace with it years ago, let alone still being surprised by it.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

We will see if it's a Wynn Win.

 

[Brick27]

People can scoff at this contract and call it an overpay, but there’s no denying what Trent Brown did for this team. He came in and switched over to LT, fit in seamlessly, and was rock solid over the course of the season. Scar and the coaching staff deserve their share of credit, but it was Brown who took the weight of the tremendous uncertainty after Solder’s departure. To say Brown wasn’t a factor in the result of this season and Super Bowl run is asinine. Hard to see him living up to this contract, but regardless his contributions were huge.

 

[BobDigital]

Way overpaid. IMO he is worth 10M per year max and only because LT is a premium position, not cause he is good. He is actually below average at LT. Thankfully he finished the year strong though but IDK if that will carry onward.

 

[jimnance]

Why shouldn't he get credit for the SB win? Do you disagree that, without him at LT, we don't win the SB? There were probably 10 guys who were instrumental enough to the season that we don't win it all without them, and he was one of them.

He played well in the SB, but c'mon man, don't lose sight of 2 things which are indisputable:
1. He was easily the WORST starting ol on the team last year. Not that that's bad, since we had one of the best ols in the NFL last year and
2. There is NO WAY in hell he was a top 10 Patriot last year. He's barely even top 10 on offense alone.

 

[LJRomanoff]

To say Brown wasn’t a factor in the result of this season and Super Bowl run is asinine.

Strawman. No one is saying this.

 

[Brick27]

Strawman. No one is saying this.

You literally said giving him credit for the Super Bowl is hyperbole.

Nobody said he was THE reason they won. Credit doesn’t have to mean he was the ultimate difference maker. He WAS a factor though, and an important one.

Either way it’s water under the bridge at this point. Pats will carry on, and they’ll be fine as they always are.

 

[BradyFTW!]

He played well in the SB, but c'mon man, don't lose sight of 2 things which are indisputable:
1. He was easily the WORST starting ol on the team last year. Not that that's bad, since we had one of the best ols in the NFL last year and
2. There is NO WAY in hell he was a top 10 Patriot last year. He's barely even top 10 on offense alone.

It's remarkable how quickly people here can pivot to pretending a guy was never very good the moment he signs somewhere else. We got above average production at one of the most important positions on the team for a cap hit of under $2M. From a roster construction standpoint, he was easily one of the most important pieces of the team.

As for claiming he was the worst starting OL on the team, that's just objectively untrue. The only lineman who was definitively better than him was Mason. Calling any other lineman clearly better than him in 2018 is a reach, even before you factor in the simple fact that he was playing the most demanding and valuable position on the line. Otherwise 'equivalent' performance at LT is more difficult and more valuable than at RT.

The Raiders overpaid the hell out of him, and for that money I'm glad it's someone else paying it, and I have confidence that the Pats will figure out a solution at LT whatever it may be (hopefully Wynn, maybe someone else), but you can believe all of those things without having to pretend Brown wasn't a huge part of why we won.

 

[Deus Irae]

Way overpaid. IMO he is worth 10M per year max

And how do you come up with that number?

 

[Deus Irae]

He played well in the SB, but c'mon man, don't lose sight of 2 things which are indisputable:
1. He was easily the WORST starting ol on the team last year. Not that that's bad, since we had one of the best ols in the NFL last year and
2. There is NO WAY in hell he was a top 10 Patriot last year. He's barely even top 10 on offense alone.

Stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[BobDigital]

And how do you come up with that number?

Just an estimate. It is about what the 16th, 17th 18th highest paid LT is paid. I think that is where he fits.

 

[LJRomanoff]

You literally said giving him credit for the Super Bowl is hyperbole.

What I said was "we don't win the SB without him" is hyperbole. Which it is.

 

[jimnance]

It's remarkable how quickly people here can pivot to pretending a guy was never very good the moment he signs somewhere else.

Wtf are you talking about? Said that all year. He was one of the worst LTS in the NFL last year.
Whereas Shaq was the #1 guard, thuney and Andrews were both highly rated and even Cannon was better.
Did you never watch any ol play all year?
I don't have access to the all22, but there's great rewatch threads here all season, plenty focusing on ol. I also have eyes and can see for myself
Brown also benefited greatly from playing next to thuney all year.
Yes Trent was good in the SB. But don't go making **** up.
And btw, to refute your line about " how quickly people forget...", Trey Flowers is a GREAT player( unlike brown), who will be sorely missed. He was easily the best front 7 guy we had and only Gilmore( who was allworld), was a better defender.
Though I'd argue flowers had a slightly greater impact than Gilmore due to the multiple stuff he did.

 

[Deus Irae]

Just an estimate. It is about what the 16th, 17th 18th highest paid LT is paid. I think that is where he fits.

You're not adding for inflation or free agency, so your numbers are useless. You're also making undervalue statements based upon lousy player analysis.

We get that a lot here, where people can't honestly evaluate Patriots players (Brown was not a below average LT last year), and where almost nobody is worth a damn when it comes to pegging the market.

2019 $188.2 million
2018 $177.2 million[15]
2017 $167.00 million
2016 $155.27 million[16]
2015 $143.28 million[17]
2014 $133 million[18]
2013 $123 million[19]
2012 $120.6 million[20]
2011 $120 million[20]


Could he bust? Absolutely. But his play this year merits legit money if we're talking FA market.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Wtf are you talking about? Said that all year. He was one of the worst LTS in the NFL last year.
Whereas Shaq was the #1 guard, thuney and Andrews were both highly rated and even Cannon was better.
Did you never watch any ol play all year?
I don't have access to the all22, but there's great rewatch threads here all season, plenty focusing on ol. I also have eyes and can see for myself
Brown also benefited greatly from playing next to thuney all year.
Yes Trent was good in the SB. But don't go making **** up.
And btw, to refute your line about " how quickly people forget...", Trey Flowers is a GREAT player( unlike brown), who will be sorely missed. He was easily the best front 7 guy we had and only Gilmore( who was allworld), was a better defender.
Though I'd argue flowers had a slightly greater impact than Gilmore due to the multiple stuff he did.

Well, since you're not mincing words here, I suppose I don't have to either: you're being a dumbass with a really stupid hot take. Making a post that's so full of obvious stupidity is bad enough in its own right, but whatever. To then double down and declare that I must not have watched OL play to disagree with your fundamentally ******ed take, though? To anyone who's remotely on the fence here: don't take OL tips from this guy. He has no ****ing clue what he's talking about.

I do have one question, though: you referenced Andrews and Thuney being "highly rated" to explain how you arrived at the conclusion that both were easily better than Brown. Who was it that was highly rating them, while not also highly rating Brown? I'm pretty sure you made that part up, but I'd be really curious to see who you're sourcing your opinions from on the off chance that you didn't.

Trent Brown was an above average LT last year, who played even better when the stakes were highest. He isn't worth the contract he just got, but he was certainly good, and he got the kind of contract that dumb teams give to good players with hard-to-find skills. Anyone who thinks he was one of the worst starting LTs in the league, as Einstein above me claimed, clearly didn't watch any of the ~12-15 teams with truly bad LTs play. Or they watched them once or twice, had no idea what they were watching, and decided those bad LTs were better than Brown because they remember a couple bad plays from Brown that Tony Romo pointed out for them over a 16 game season.

 

[Guts]

Happy for Trent and Trey. They more than earned their money. Key contributors in the quest for six. I have full confidence in Wynn and whatever plan BB has in replacing Flowers.

 

[TheRainMaker]

He played well in the SB, but c'mon man, don't lose sight of 2 things which are indisputable:
1. He was easily the WORST starting ol on the team last year. Not that that's bad, since we had one of the best ols in the NFL last year and
2. There is NO WAY in hell he was a top 10 Patriot last year. He's barely even top 10 on offense alone.

You really need to take a football 101 course. Clueless post.

You may want to practice what you preach.