TE Dwayne Allen released

[Simpelton]

Any player who is good at his job, who is dependable, consistent, etc is rare. But what you guys keep insinuating is that he can't be replaced

Define "replaced." If you want you can bring in a cheap TE2 who can bring in a portion of Allen's production.

Finding a guy who can meet or exceed the level of production Allen provided from TE2 is going to be harder than some fans seem to want to believe.

Hoping BB has a good plan to find a nice physical TE2 in the draft. And hoping Gronk gives us 1 more year so we don't wind up with 2 inexperienced tight ends leading one of our historically most important offensive positions.

 

[Pape]

Define "replaced." If you want you can bring in a cheap TE2 who can bring in a portion of Allen's production.

Finding a guy who can meet or exceed the level of production Allen provided from TE2 is going to be harder than some fans seem to want to believe.

Hoping BB has a good plan to find a nice physical TE2 in the draft. And hoping Gronk gives us 1 more year so we don't wind up with 2 inexperienced tight ends leading one of our historically most important offensive positions.

Replaced - bring in another player to do the job he was doing at a reasonable cost.

7 million for what he brought to the table was untenable... what they paid him in 18 was barely tolerable.

 

[Simpelton]

Replaced - bring in another player to do the job he was doing at a reasonable cost.

7 million for what he brought to the table was untenable...

Define "the job he was doing." I want to hear what you think Allen's role was.

 

[Angelpats]

Define "the job he was doing." I want to hear what you think Allen's role was.

His job is to block and catch. People aren’t saying he is a bad player. That’s what you seem to be fixated on. The issue is just his cap hit. Our offense is just more potent if we have another receiving option that can block.

 

[PatsFan2]

Please Allen hurry up and Sign with your First visit I hope I never see you in a Pats uniform again you stole $$$$$.

 

[PatsFan2]

he really wasn't. his receiving yards in Indianpolis were a direct reflection of a lack of options at the tight end position. He got yards in a couple seasons because they had no other choice but to throw to him.

Dwayne is gone because they can get someone else to do the same job for half the money. His "blocking" is getting talked up to a ridiculous degree. Its like no one else in the NFL can possibly block like dwayne allen! good grief. hes a third rate tight end. I'd rather bring hooman back

Couldn't agree more Dorsett is vastly overrated on Patsfans.com too I don't get it.

 

[Simpelton]

His job is to block and catch. People aren’t saying he is a bad player. That’s what you seem to be fixated on. The issue is just his cap hit. Our offense is just more potent if we have another receiving option that can block.

I think I see where the problem is now. People had their expectations set too high based on Martellus Bennett and The Murderer.

you know what's even rarer than a good blocking TE? The kind of complete TE you're describing. And when you find one of those they're usually either a TE1 or understudying to replace a TE1. Most TEs are only even going to be really good at one of the two if you're lucky, with the question, especially at TE2, being what you're prepared to sacrifice and what you're prepared to pay for. We've had a very good run of having effectively 2 TE1s. That ended when Martellus Bennett moved on and fell apart. Now we've had a great TE2 who exemplified the blocking TE2 role but doesn't transcend that rule and play like a TE1 and fans just can't stand it.

In a word we've been spoiled by having great TEs to play with/around/replace Gronkowski and it's created a false sense of entitlement around the position, so when you have a guy who's just solid and does none of the flashy parts of the TE game, even if he's in a role where that should be what's expected of him, and fans just aren't happy about it.

I still think that the primary job of Allen was accomplished in the sense that Gronkowski has had his two healthiest seasons in recent memory with Allen on the roster. With Allen taking over primary blocking duties, Gronk's body didn't take the level of strain they might otherwise have taken and he was on the field through the end of the season missing only 5 games over the last 2 years, which is a huge improvement over before. I'll overpay for that if it keeps the most productive TE in NFL history on the field more often, and do it with a smile on my face.

In short Allen didn't catch passes but he did force-multiply Gronk's ability to contribute on offense, and that's worth a few mil above the value of Allen as a blocking TE to me.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think I see where the problem is now. People had their expectations set too high based on Martellus Bennett and The Murderer.

Huh?? why shouldn't we it's not like he was getting 450K he was like $5Mill or more. Allen fooled me as did Dorsett I expected a heck of a lot more from both. Case and point let's say Gronk
was shut down after the Gordon suspension. Do you think this Team wins the AFC-CG much less the SB with Dwayne Allan at TE#1 ?? Be honest!

 

[long distance]

Define "replaced." If you want you can bring in a cheap TE2 who can bring in a portion of Allen's production.

Finding a guy who can meet or exceed the level of production Allen provided from TE2 is going to be harder than some fans seem to want to believe.

Hoping BB has a good plan to find a nice physical TE2 in the draft. And hoping Gronk gives us 1 more year so we don't wind up with 2 inexperienced tight ends leading one of our historically most important offensive positions.

If Gronk is not coming back id guess BB will be very competitive on Allen market. The fact that Gronk is regular at the facility now and Allen cut at this time could bode well for Gronk giving it another go.

It is not reality to expect any rookie or Izzo could be a dominant presence on the line like Allen was - and i like Izzo and the draft class. Actually the only other consistently dominant line TE i know is Gronk. So it is not surprising Allen will have a nice market even w/o catches (and he showed in Indy he can do that as well if asked).

People talking about easy replacements have little clue. Pats traded for O’Shaughnessy who was supposed to play well on the line and be a core ST then released him before the end of TC. etc

NE offence is now based on the ground game and play action so monster on line TEs are pretty significant part of it..

 

[Simpelton]

Huh?? why shouldn't we it's not like he was getting 450K he was like $5Mill or more. Allen fooled me as did Dorsett I expected a heck of a lot more from both. Case and point let's say Gronk
was shut down after the Gordon suspension. Do you think this Team wins the AFC-CG much less the SB with Dwayne Allan at TE#1 ?? Be honest!

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

The TE2's job is not to be a TE1. If you're trying to argue that we'd have been in trouble losing our single best offensive player not named Brady? Well duh. With or without Allen that's true. It's a pointless thing to say.

That said, we did a lot of our offensive work in the playoffs based on the running game, so the question in my mind is, could our TE3 (Hollister I believe) hold his own in the run block, because if that's the case, with Brady in the field and a good RB corps with Michel-White-Burkhead, I'd give us a fighting chance even without Gronk. It's not like we had him in SB51.

With the base of a good run game with 2 good receiving backs, a strong offensive line, and Brady and Edelman leading the passing game, then even without an offensively productive TE corps I wouldn't count this team out. Our offense would be different but I trust this team to figure it out.

That's certainly a poor argument for not having a great blocking TE2, even if you have to overpay for one.

 

[Simpelton]

If Gronk is not coming back id guess BB will be very competitive on Allen market. The fact that Gronk is regular at the facility now and Allen cut at this time could bode well for Gronk giving it another go.

It is not reality to expect any rookie or Izzo could be a dominant presence on the line like Allen was - and i like Izzo and the draft class. Actually the only other consistently dominant line TE i know is Gronk. So it is not surprising Allen will have a nice market even w/o catches (and he showed in Indy he can do that as well if asked).

People talking about easy replacements have little clue. Pats traded for O’Shaughnessy who was supposed to play well on the line and be a core ST then released him before the end of TC. etc

NE offence is now based on the ground game and play action so monster on line TEs are pretty significant part of it..

... and teams know that, and that reflects in the price of TE talent. The fact is that Allen was not overpriced in New England. The price for talented run-first TEs has gone up.

 

[PatsFan2]

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

The TE2's job is not to be a TE1. If you're trying to argue that we'd have been in trouble losing our single best offensive player not named Brady? Well duh. With or without Allen that's true. It's a pointless thing to say.

That said, we did a lot of our offensive work in the playoffs based on the running game, so the question in my mind is, could our TE3 (Hollister I believe) hold his own in the run block, because if that's the case, with Brady in the field and a good RB corps with Michel-White-Burkhead, I'd give us a fighting chance even without Gronk. It's not like we had him in SB51.

With the base of a good run game with 2 good receiving backs, a strong offensive line, and Brady and Edelman leading the passing game, then even without an offensively productive TE corps I wouldn't count this team out. Our offense would be different but I trust this team to figure it out.

That's certainly a poor argument for not having a great blocking TE2, even if you have to overpay for one.

Lets just agree to disagree: I'll just add in your scenario it's proven Hollister cannot Block a fly. He can barely stay healthy which shows his body cannot hold up on the NFL level. I think he was out for almost Six weeks or more after a vicious hit in practice just throwing that out there.

 

[Pape]

Define "the job he was doing." I want to hear what you think Allen's role was.

His job is/was to do what the coaches wanted/needed him to do. We saw his role diminish between 2017 and 2018. from 42% of the offensive snaps to 33% this year in the games that he played.

So if you think you are going to tell me his single solitary role on this team, the reason why they traded for him was to only "run block" ... man i'm just not buying that argument.

So whatever his role was supposed to be, it was diminishing.

 

[Wheelman]

... because you guys keep pushing the narrative that blocking tight ends are the rarest gem in the universe...

i think im beginning to believe its now harder to find a good blocking tight end than it is to find a franchise quarterback

as for conversion from one position to another, its a story thats written every season

and i didnt call hooman competent, i said i'd rather have him back... there is a difference.

Well you don't need him back! You can just use Hollister. Hollister's blocking is probably on par with hooman's blocking plus Hollister has the upside of being more athletic and faster.

 

[Pape]

Well you don't need him back! You can just use Hollister. Hollister's blocking is probably on par with hooman's blocking plus Hollister has the upside of being more athletic and faster.

But "Hooman"

how can you beat that?

 

[Hyped]

Allen is to visit the Ravens and then the Bills....

IMO, he's a goner....

 

[RobertWeathers]

Well you don't need him back! You can just use Hollister. Hollister's blocking is probably on par with hooman's blocking plus Hollister has the upside of being more athletic and faster.

Hooman was a good blocker. Hollister is more like an H-back and is made of glass.

 

[Wheelman]

Hooman was a good blocker. Hollister is more like an H-back and is made of glass.

No he wasn't. He was mediocre. I knew we made out like bandits with the Hicks trade as soon as it was announced. That's how freaking NUTS Hooman's whiffs drove me! The only person who was worse was ****ing Ryan Wendell and his whiffs!

BB needs to answer for his crimes of inflicting that needless anguish upon me!

 

[RobertWeathers]

No he wasn't. He was mediocre. I knew we made out like bandits with the Hicks trade as soon as it was announced. That's how freaking NUTS Hooman's whiffs drove me! The only person who was worse was ****ing Ryan Wendell and his whiffs!

BB needs to answer for his crimes of inflicting that needless anguish upon me!

I didn't think he was that bad. Certainly was a notch below Marty and Allen and of course, Gronk.

 

[Wheelman]

I didn't think he was that bad. Certainly was a notch below Marty and Allen and of course, Gronk.

Inconsistent is better way to describe him perhaps.