Dolphins release Andre Branch enter Trey Flowers?

[Love The Drake]

Dolphins expected to let Wake and Quinn walk as well.
Flowers may indeed be budding in Miami.
Can we please Franchise and trade him so we don't let the Miami Douchbags snatch him.

 

[meatface]

I don't think they will have the cap space, the Dolphins that is.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Dolphins expected to let Wake and Quinn walk as well.
Flowers may indeed be budding in Miami.
Can we please Franchise and trade him so we don't let the Miami Douchbags snatch him.

Franchising and trading someone is a gray area under the CBA. Technically it’s not allowed by the language, or it at least appears that way. If the player doesn’t care then it doesn’t matter (see the Matt Cassel situation). But if they do mind, they could file a grievance.

Anyway, more on point, I’m sure Belichick has all the bases covered. If he doesn’t franchise Flowers it means he can handle him leaving. If the Dolphins get him, oh well. We just have to move on and find the next Flowers, and continue to try to develop our existing guys like Wise.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I don't think they will have the cap space, the Dolphins that is.

Continue with the cuts and restructuring and they will, especially if they backload Flowers’ contract. Amendola is on thin ice, I think he frees up 6 million (need to double check).

 

[Love The Drake]

Continue with the cuts and restructuring and they will, especially if they backload Flowers’ contract. Amendola is on thin ice, I think he frees up 6 million (need to double check).

I think we should start going to JC Jackson about a extension before his market gets absurd.

 

[upstater1]

Franchising and trading someone is a gray area under the CBA. Technically it’s not allowed by the language, or it at least appears that way. If the player doesn’t care then it doesn’t matter (see the Matt Casado situation). But if they do mind, they could file a grievance.

Anyway, more on point, I’m sure Belichick has all the bases covered. If he doesn’t franchise Flowers it means he can handle him leaving. If the Dolphins get him, oh well. We just have to move on and find the next Flowers, and continue to try to develop our existing guys like Wise.

We waited many years for Flowers. After Seymour left, we were dismal at that position, and couldn't replace him at all, until Flowers.

Jabal Sheard was the best guy we had between Seymour and Flowers.

This guy will not be easily replaceable.

 

[SBLIII]

I think we should start going to JC Jackson about a extension before his market gets absurd.

No urgency, we control him for 3 more seasons.

 

[Wheelman]

Trey Flowers! Beast! Sign him up!

 

[Ring 6]

Dolphins expected to let Wake and Quinn walk as well.
Flowers may indeed be budding in Miami.
Can we please Franchise and trade him so we don't let the Miami Douchbags snatch him.

The CBA says you can only tag a player you intend to keep, so tag and trade really isn’t kosher.

 

[Ring 6]

We waited many years for Flowers. After Seymour left, we were dismal at that position, and couldn't replace him at all, until Flowers.

Jabal Sheard was the best guy we had between Seymour and Flowers.

This guy will not be easily replaceable.

DEs between Seymour and flowers that were better than sheard:

Ninkivich
Jones
Carter
Long

 

[patsfaninpa]

I think we should start going to JC Jackson about a extension before his market gets absurd.

I don't believe he can be extended until after his 2nd year.

 

[patfanken]

It will be very interesting to see what the Pats do about Flowers this week. The Franchise tag for a DE is about $17MM if I recall it correctly. I'm not sure the Pats will want to go that high with him. They wouldn't go that high for Chandler Jones who had better production during his time with the Pats, and has had good production for the Cards as well (though in a much different role).

BB looks at his defense as a WHOLE rather than a collection of individual talent. Flowers isn't a player with rare physical skills, but rather a high motor player who plays with great technical skills. I would see him doing good things if he went to Miami because Flores will use him correctly. I can see him being less effective in any system that expects him to do it on his own. The classic "good player but not worth the money" kind of deal.

I think if the Pats have ANY hope of keeping him, they will have to be in the $12-14MM range, and even that might not be enough. I don't see the Pats going any higher. They have a lot of other mouths to feed this year.

With Allen's release we now have about $24MM in cap space and that will increase with other moves in the coming weeks. If the past has any relevance, BB will let Flowers see what's out there and hope for the best.

 

[upstater1]

DEs between Seymour and flowers that were better than sheard:

Ninkivich
Jones
Carter
Long

Flowers is not just a DT-DE. Nink was a LB, so he is not comparable to Seymour/Flowers. I'd submit that these are totally different players.

And I disagree on Carter/Long.

The one you're right about, that I missed on, was Chandler Jones. There I agree with you. However, that didn't exactly work out for the Patriots. When you expend that much draft capital on a guy, it can't end like it did.

 

[Ring 6]

Flowers is not just a DT-DE. Nink was a LB, so he is not comparable to Seymour/Flowers. I'd submit that these are totally different players.

And I disagree on Carter/Long.

The one you're right about, that I missed on, was Chandler Jones. There I agree with you. However, that didn't exactly work out for the Patriots. When you expend that much draft capital on a guy, it can't end like it did.

Nink literally played 43 DE for years.
Andre carter wasn’t better as a patriot than “left home healthy” Jabal sheard? Come on. Long was better as well but only here a year.

I’m not sure how “the way it ended” has anything to do with Jones being better than sheard.
They got great value out of Jones and got something for him before he became too expensive. It ended just fine.

 

[ralmat55]

I think we should start going to JC Jackson about a extension before his market gets absurd.

The CBA does not allow the Patriots to extend him until after the 2019 season.

 

[upstater1]

Nink literally played 43 DE for years.
Andre carter wasn’t better as a patriot than “left home healthy” Jabal sheard? Come on. Long was better as well but only here a year.

I’m not sure how “the way it ended” has anything to do with Jones being better than sheard.
They got great value out of Jones and got something for him before he became too expensive. It ended just fine.

They traded first round a 1st and 3rd to get him, had him for 4 years, and got a 2nd rounder back. Given the draft capital expended, I should hope they do better than that in the future.

Ninkovich is not nearly the same player/position as Flowers. Flowers is a DE/DT hybrid, whereas Nink was on the edge and also covering backs, etc. These are not comparable players at all.

We certainly remember a totally different Andre Carter. I remember the guy who played great for like 5 games, but then was injured mostly.

 

[Ring 6]

They traded first round a 1st and 3rd to get him, had him for 4 years, and got a 2nd rounder back. Given the draft capital expended, I should hope they do better than that in the future.

Not if it means paying him a ridiculous contract. Understand, he was more valuable in those 4 years than he ever will be the rest of his career. Not keeping him meant we upgraded innumerable other areas.

Ninkovich is not nearly the same player/position as Flowers. Flowers is a DE/DT hybrid, whereas Nink was on the edge and also covering backs, etc. These are not comparable players at all.

We are talking about sheard. You said the best de we had between Seymour and flowers was sheard. And that is very wrong.

We certainly remember a totally different Andre Carter. I remember the guy who played great for like 5 games, but then was injured mostly.

Let me correct your memory. Carter played 14 games, had 10 sacks and played terrific all around de. How you could think sheard was better is beyond me, but it’s evidently because you weren’t paying attention when carter was here. (Or perhaps when sheard was here too)

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I'm thinking Flowers is more likely than not gone. Phenomenal player and would love to have him back...but it's such a simple equation the Patriots use on every decision, and their discipline in sticking to it is what makes them so great at managing a roster. How much will he cost, and how much value is he projected to provide? It's just math. If they move on, it's because his cost is too high.

 

[slam]

Hot take: The Arizona Cardinals would have been better off with Joe Thuney than Chandler Jones full stop, not even taking into account salary disparity and the other assets moved in the trade. This is stipulating that Chandler Jones is obviously the better individual player. But the o-line was a disaster area for them which gave Rosen no chance to succeed last year. With Jones they earned the #1 pick so they couldn’t be any worse off.

In other words, the smartest team in the league traded with the dumbest team in the league. The smartest team goes to three straight Super Bowls and the dumbest fires two coaches and earns the #1 pick in the following three years. And yet some claim it was a bad trade by the smart team.

 

[HailHydra]

Franchising and trading someone is a gray area under the CBA. Technically it’s not allowed by the language, or it at least appears that way. If the player doesn’t care then it doesn’t matter (see the Matt Cassel situation). But if they do mind, they could file a grievance.

Anyway, more on point, I’m sure Belichick has all the bases covered. If he doesn’t franchise Flowers it means he can handle him leaving. If the Dolphins get him, oh well. We just have to move on and find the next Flowers, and continue to try to develop our existing guys like Wise.

Dee Ford already has trade rumors now.