Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[XLIX]

The irony here is that LE, by botching this thing so badly in the name of embarrassing a guy like Bob Kraft, are going to end up teaching the public how to get away with this sort of thing and embolden future johns to test the waters even further.

um, how did they "botch" this?

 

[Antdawg]

um, how did they "botch" this?

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[Ring 6]

Forking over extra money right after she cleans up everything seems to make the quid pro quo pretty darn obvious to any judge or jury.



A judge signed off on the plan to do the video surveillance, and it seems highly doubtful that another judge is going to go after the previous judge for poor decision-making.



Sure, there has to be a pretense to stop the car, but something as simple as rolling a stop sign is adequate. Then the cops can ask for lots of things and it is up to you to say no. Kraft could have refused to show his own ID, since he wasn't driving. If he doesn't assert his rights, that really on him. Like when they want to search your car without a warrant. If they ask, you can say no. But if you say yes, then whatever happens is on you.

There are legal loopholes and his lawyers will work them, but I still don't think it looks good for RK to get out of this except for working a plea to a lesser offense, like 2nd degree misdemeanor with no jail time.

“Traffic stop” is just a term being used and the fact that someone used that term does not mean the carvwas stopped for a traffic infraction. It may well have been stopped exactly for the purpose of identifying a suspect.
I’m not aware of any law that says if a police officer has reasonable cause to stop you, such as identifying a suspect, that he is required to explain the reason he stopped you. He simply needs to have one.
As always conclusion jumping is running rampant.

 

[Ring 6]

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So you don’t know.

 

[Deus Irae]

Oh god. Of course he pleads not guilty. He should have plead guilty and taken the minor punishment. This is gonna be a bad look.

Forking over extra money right after she cleans up everything seems to make the quid pro quo pretty darn obvious to any judge or jury.



A judge signed off on the plan to do the video surveillance, and it seems highly doubtful that another judge is going to go after the previous judge for poor decision-making.



Sure, there has to be a pretense to stop the car, but something as simple as rolling a stop sign is adequate. Then the cops can ask for lots of things and it is up to you to say no. Kraft could have refused to show his own ID, since he wasn't driving. If he doesn't assert his rights, that really on him. Like when they want to search your car without a warrant. If they ask, you can say no. But if you say yes, then whatever happens is on you.

There are legal loopholes and his lawyers will work them, but I still don't think it looks good for RK to get out of this except for working a plea to a lesser offense, like 2nd degree misdemeanor with no jail time.

 

[XLIX]

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Yeah, you had nothing then and you have nothing now.

They charged a john with misdemeanor solicitation. That's hardly "botching" anything.

 

[rochrist]

Goodell can punish him if the optics aren’t good - there is no requirement for a crime. Otherwise you’d have every player and owner go to Nevada and hire prostitutes and post it on instagram.

Pretty sure the first part of that sentence is true. They just don't post it on instagram.

 

[Antdawg]

So you don’t know.

LOL, sure. Whatever helps you get through this dreadful news (someone exercising their Constitutional rights).

 

[Ring 6]

By the way, it's not ok for cops to make **** up to stop people so they can illegally ID them.

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They didn’t make anything up. They stopped him because they were investigating a place where they believed laws were being broken. That makes him a suspect.
You can pull over a vehicle for probably cause that isn’t a vehicular violation.

 

[Ring 6]

LOL, sure. Whatever helps you get through this dreadful news (someone exercising their Constitutional rights).

Then answer his question.
“Page blank” isn’t an answer when you are wrong to begin with.

Not sure what you mean by dreadful news.
You were asked how did the cops “botch this” and you didn’t answer.

Wondering why you are manjnba dumb statement doesn’t put anyone on a pro or anti kraft side.

 

[Antdawg]

Yeah, you had nothing then and you have nothing now.

They charged a john with misdemeanor solicitation. That's hardly "botching" anything.

You mad, bro? Frankly, it's a little weird that you're so rattled by Bob Kraft pleading not guilty.

 

[Antdawg]

Then answer his question.
“Page blank” isn’t an answer when you are wrong to begin with.

Yep, you mad.

 

[Ring 6]

Yep, you mad.

Not at all, just think you don’t know what you are talking about which you are confirming by deflecting with dumb posts like this.

What in the world would I have to be mad about?

 

[rochrist]

He is, pleaded not guilty

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Generally that what's done at the time charges are filed but doesn't preclude a deal before trial and/or changing the plea.

 

[Deus Irae]

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Generally that what's done at the time charges are filed but doesn't preclude a deal before trial and/or changing the plea.

You're absolutely right. By pleading not guilty, Kraft gets access to the evidence and the ability to, if desired, work out a deal with the prosecution after becoming more informed about the strength against him. That's why anyone who's crying because Kraft didn't just plead guilty, or is insisting on certainty regarding the facts and/or future judicial rulings in the case, is being ridiculous.

 

[rochrist]

All of the time cops follow cars that they are suspicious about, looking for a rolled stop sign, an improper lane change, going 5 mph over the limit, etc.

If the driver doesn't screw up, then he won't be stopped. If he does screw up, then the door is open for the cops to ask what they want to ask, including asking for IDs of non-drivers.

It is up to the citizens to know that they can refuse. The cop can demand to see license and registration of the driver. The cop can inquire about sobriety. If the cop asks for anything more, then the citizen needs to ask to see their warrant.

Oh ********. If you think cops never make up their own 'reasons' for pulling over a car, then you're hopelessly naive. And I expect the guy Kraft got to act as his driver was pretty careful about not rolling any stop signs.

 

[libra957]

Pleaded not guilty...with the right Lawyer, this is a winnable case.

 

[PatsWSB47]

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Generally that what's done at the time charges are filed but doesn't preclude a deal before trial and/or changing the plea.

Exactly. Judges will pretty much automatically enter a plea of not guilty on behalf of the defendant when they dont have a lawyer to do so. This may be simply procedural. I know the judge didnt enter it this time but it just shows you how normal it is a t this stage. I think it still remains to be seen whether ir not Kraft fights this.

 

[XLIX]

LOL, sure. Whatever helps you get through this dreadful news (someone exercising their Constitutional rights).

If you have some sort of explanation regarding how this investigation was "botched" I'd love to hear it. But so far nothing has been presented along those lines.

 

[XLIX]

You mad, bro? Frankly, it's a little weird that you're so rattled by Bob Kraft pleading not guilty.

I am following this case closely and would be very interested in hearing if there has been any prosecutorial malfeasance. You made a pretty serious claim and I asked you to support it.

The fact that you are now resorting to simply being an assh0le proves you have nothing to support your statement.