Rowe to IR

[Flash]

I don't understand the dislike for Rowe.

He's not good, but he's not bad either. In addition, he's 6'1 with decent speed, and again, while he hasn't exactly wow-ed us like Gilmore has, he is nowhere near as bad as some of the CBs and safeties we've had prior to Revis/Browner.

Never forget the legendary 2011 defense, which featured:

• DMac
• Ras-IR Dowling
• Antwaun Molden
• Kyle Arrington
• James Ihedigbo
• Sergio Brown
• Patrick Chung (was terrible back then)

Was there another JAG in there? I forgot. Anyways, Rowe is better than the majority of the players here and I am not happy he is headed to IR.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't understand the dislike for Rowe.

He's not good, but he's not bad either. In addition, he's 6'1 with decent speed, and again, while he hasn't exactly wow-ed us like Gilmore has, he is nowhere near as bad as some of the CBs and safeties we've had prior to Revis/Browner.

Never forget the legendary 2011 defense, which featured:

• DMac
• Ras-IR Dowling
• Antwaun Molden
• Kyle Arrington
• James Ihedigbo
• Sergio Brown
• Patrick Chung (was terrible back then)

Was there another JAG in there? I forgot. Anyways, Rowe is better than the majority of the players here and I am not happy he is headed to IR.

• Rowe can't play inside
• Rowe can't play against quick OWRs
• Rowe can play a little bit against tall OWRs who don't have much wiggle

In other words, Rowe's a backup who might work in some situational starts depending upon the limitations of a team's CB2. He's not more than that, and he can't stay healthy. There's really very little lost with him heading to the IR and, in all likelihood, to another team after this season.

 

[luuked]

Rowe played his last down as a Patriot. He’ll be a free agent.

Bad news for Rowe homers. He will go down as one of the most bizarre players this board had a thing for.

What does that even mean ?

Rowe`s biggest issue is his availability and nothing else. He seems to always pull a groin or hamstring a few games in and therefore never gets into a playing rhythm. I dont think I have seen a single Rowe fanboy on this board who says he has been an amazing player.

Also, what makes him a bizarre player ?

 

[maineman209]

I don't understand the dislike for Rowe.

He's not good, but he's not bad either. In addition, he's 6'1 with decent speed, and again, while he hasn't exactly wow-ed us like Gilmore has, he is nowhere near as bad as some of the CBs and safeties we've had prior to Revis/Browner.

Never forget the legendary 2011 defense, which featured:

• DMac
• Ras-IR Dowling
• Antwaun Molden
• Kyle Arrington
• James Ihedigbo
• Sergio Brown
• Patrick Chung (was terrible back then)

Was there another JAG in there? I forgot. Anyways, Rowe is better than the majority of the players here and I am not happy he is headed to IR.

Sure, Rowe is tall. He also had some pretty fantastic pre-draft testing numbers:
... 4.45/40, 1.56/10yd .. 19 reps .. 39" vert/125" lj .. 3.97 shuttle/6.70 3cone

Which is why I was really excited when the Pats got him from Philly for a 3rd/4th round pick. I thought, at the time, that he was a steal.

Unfortunately, that tested speed, burst, and agility has rarely been manifested in his play on the field in the two and a half seasons since.

Rowe missed 7 games to various lower-body injuries during his first season with the Pats (2016). Last season, he was on the injury report with a groin injury for 13 consecutive weeks, and he missed 8 games - half a season. When he was on the field in 2017, he was - by a large margin - the worst CB, statistically. Gilmore, Jon Jones, Butler (as poorly as he played) were much better. Even Bademosi performed better during his two emergency-sub starts.

Rowe has followed his 2017 with a nearly identical performance in 2018 - by missing 4 of 8 games with a groin injury, and by being the worst DB on the field, DMac's two horrid games notwithstanding.

It's not that I "dislike" Rowe. It's that he's amply demonstrated very minimal usefulness. With rookies JC Jackson and Duke Dawson having shown at least the potential to develop into upgrades over Rowe, the Pats have an opportunity to move on - just as they moved on from all the guys you listed when they had the opportunity in hand to do so.

 

[DarrylS]

Wonder if all the "lower body issues" impacted his performance...

His 1.1 million cap hit was a bargain, the Pats will move on from him..

 

[PittPatriot]

Winners: no one
Losers: all WR#2 remaining on our schedule

 

[Sicilian]

I'll echo a few thoughts already said here:

His spot is likely held open this week for Farrow, who takes it to give Sony another break (maybe two with the bye coming after Tenn). Then when Michel is ready, Farrow goes back to the PS and Dawson is activated.

Rowe was not a good corner overall, and I don't think this will make or break anything this year. He had a specialized niche as Deus described: He was decent against tall WR's who didn't have much elusiveness. I think he could have had more potential if he could have stayed on the field and developed a bit more (experience and technique can overcome SOME physical limitations), but he was just never able to do that for long stretches. Good luck on your next team, Eric.

Finally, on our corners overall, I'm actually pretty bullish. Gilmore is having a pro-bowl year, and McCourty has been solid, reminds me of Logan Ryan in 2016. A good, dependable #2 who can tackle. Jones has been good in the slot, and I like the attitude I see in Jackson. He's raw, he needs work on his technique to avoid unnecessary penalties, but he has ball skills and grit. Reminds me a LITTLE bit (don't read into this too much) of Butler during his rookie season. If he keeps grinding, he could make a big play late in the year for us.

With this group, whatever we get from Dawson's return is gravy to me.

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't think Dawson is going to come in and be slotted as a safety at all. And I'm not sure where the opinion that he's a better fit there comes from outside of the fact that the team tried him there in camp. Dawson is a pretty straight up press-man corner. By the end of the season, my hope is that he locks down the CB2 spot and makes it so that J. Jones is able to kick inside to nickel.

 

[patriot1136]

Hopefully we get to see more of JC Jackson now, I like what he brings to the defense. Maybe more of Crossen too? I realize he is more of a special teamer at this point.

 

[luuked]

I am kinda surprised people are dismissing JMacs performance so far. He has had a really good season as CB2 and is the ideal bridge guy to give our young group of DBs time to slowly acclimate to the NFL.

 

[Nehalem]

I don't understand the dislike for Rowe.

He's not good, but he's not bad either. In addition, he's 6'1 with decent speed, and again, while he hasn't exactly wow-ed us like Gilmore has, he is nowhere near as bad as some of the CBs and safeties we've had prior to Revis/Browner.

Never forget the legendary 2011 defense, which featured:

• DMac
• Ras-IR Dowling
• Antwaun Molden
• Kyle Arrington
• James Ihedigbo
• Sergio Brown
• Patrick Chung (was terrible back then)

Was there another JAG in there? I forgot. Anyways, Rowe is better than the majority of the players here and I am not happy he is headed to IR.

You left out Sterling Moore. You know the JAG who saved us in the AFCCG

 

[maineman209]

Hopefully we get to see more of JC Jackson now, I like what he brings to the defense. Maybe more of Crossen too? I realize he is more of a special teamer at this point.

Even if Crossen never becomes much more than an elite ST gunner, if at least one of Jackson or Dawson turns into a solid starter like Jones or Butler, the Pats will have done well infusing some youth into the DB corps this past April.

 

[TheRainMaker]

What does that even mean ?

Rowe`s biggest issue is his availability and nothing else. He seems to always pull a groin or hamstring a few games in and therefore never gets into a playing rhythm. I dont think I have seen a single Rowe fanboy on this board who says he has been an amazing player.

Also, what makes him a bizarre player ?

The fact that you're defending him proves my point. The people on this board giving you positive ratings on your post also proves my point on how he's defended on here. It's bizarre when he's shown to not play well when he's on the field. Without him redeeming himself and tipping the pass that was intercepted in the end zone in Pittsburgh, he almost single handily blew the game allowing Smith-Shuster going 60+ yards on a damn drag route. And of course he was awful in the Super Bowl until he guarded a WR that didn't get any attention.

The defense is better off without him.

 

[TheRainMaker]

• Rowe can't play inside
• Rowe can't play against quick OWRs
• Rowe can play a little bit against tall OWRs who don't have much wiggle

In other words, Rowe's a backup who might work in some situational starts depending upon the limitations of a team's CB2. He's not more than that, and he can't stay healthy. There's really very little lost with him heading to the IR and, in all likelihood, to another team after this season.

I agree with you on this. But Alshon Jeffrey isn't very fast nor is he quick, yet he flat out broke Rowe's ankles on the first drive of the game on a 3rd down going inside and than back outside. For a player like Jeffery to beat you like that is unacceptable and Rowe should've been benched after that.

Then Rowe gets blown off the line of scrimmage and Jeffrey catches a deep pass for a TD. Rowe defenders will say "He had good coverage, it was just a good catch". No, Rowe caught up to Jeffery because Jeffery ran out of real estate in the back of the end zone.

I can't stand Rowe, hopefully he played his last down here.

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree with you on this. But Alshon Jeffrey isn't very fast nor is he quick, yet he flat out broke Rowe's ankles on the first drive of the game on a 3rd down going inside and than back outside. For a player like Jeffery to beat you like that is unacceptable and Rowe should've been benched after that.

Then Rowe gets blown off the line of scrimmage and Jeffrey catches a deep pass for a TD. Rowe defenders will say "He had good coverage, it was just a good catch". No, Rowe caught up to Jeffery because Jeffery ran out of real estate in the back of the end zone.

I can't stand Rowe, hopefully he played his last down here.

As a former Eagle, Rowe was well known by that team, and they were able to exploit that. I think it's possible that the Patriots could have countered that advantage in a rematch, but your overall point is not one with which I would quarrel.

 

[luuked]

The fact that you're defending him proves my point. The people on this board giving you positive ratings on your post also proves my point on how he's defended on here. It's bizarre when he's shown to not play well when he's on the field. Without him redeeming himself and tipping the pass that was intercepted in the end zone in Pittsburgh, he almost single handily blew the game allowing Smith-Shuster going 60+ yards on a damn drag route. And of course he was awful in the Super Bowl until he guarded a WR that didn't get any attention.

The defense is better off without him.

I am not defending anyone you are just slinging **** at the newest whipping boy of the mob around here.

The reality is that Rowe is not a great player but also not a bad player. He never got himself into a place where he could play multiple games in a row while 100% healthy. If there ever was someone who deserves the label injury prone it is him.

Also as a sidenote your logic is so amazingly flawed it blows my mind. So you are trying to throw a dig at row by saying he somehow responsible for the Shuster dig route:

Without him redeeming himself and tipping the pass that was intercepted in the end zone in Pittsburgh, he almost single handily blew the game allowing Smith-Shuster going 60+ yards on a damn drag route.

I guess now that Richards has moved on he is suddenly not blamed for his role in that 60y reception anymore. Neither is DMac for whatever reason even though he was also in position to make a tackle. Now it is just Rowe even though he might be the main reason we ended up winning that game. Sure whatever.

But even more absurd is your reasoning here:

And of course he was awful in the Super Bowl until he guarded a WR that didn't get any attention.

Gotta love it. On the one hand he is supposedly so bad but then after he gets reassigned to a different matchup the opponents QB and OC never go after him again even though he is so god awful ?

Stop embarrassing yourself.

The coaches put him on the wrong player at the beginning of the SB which is exactly what happened against the Seahawks with our CBs as well. They corrected that decision after one quarter and Rowe was not an issue anymore for the rest of the game.

He is an average player that because of his size can be used in matchups other corners have not shot at. And if he at some point in his career finally has a year where he doesn't get injured he might actually develop some confidence and play up to his potential. But most probably it won't be here, if it happens at all.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I am not defending anyone you are just slinging **** at the newest whipping boy of the mob around here.

The reality is that Rowe is not a great player but also not a bad player. He never got himself into a place where he could play multiple games in a row while 100% healthy. If there ever was someone who deserves the label injury prone it is him.

Also as a sidenote your logic is so amazingly flawed it blows my mind. So you are trying to throw a dig at row by saying he somehow responsible for the Shuster dig route:



I guess now that Richards has moved on he is suddenly not blamed for his role in that 60y reception anymore. Neither is DMac for whatever reason even though he was also in position to make a tackle. Now it is just Rowe even though he might be the main reason we ended up winning that game. Sure whatever.

But even more absurd is your reasoning here:



Gotta love it. On the one hand he is supposedly so bad but then after he gets reassigned to a different matchup the opponents QB and OC never go after him again even though he is so god awful ?

Stop embarrassing yourself.

The coaches put him on the wrong player at the beginning of the SB which is exactly what happened against the Seahawks with our CBs as well. They corrected that decision after one quarter and Rowe was not an issue anymore for the rest of the game.

He is an average player that because of his size can be used in matchups other corners have not shot at. And if he at some point in his career finally has a year where he doesn't get injured he might actually develop some confidence and play up to his potential. But most probably it won't be here, if it happens at all.

My point has been proven. You are still going out of your way to pick apart my argument with quotes such as “slinging s*** around”, “flawed”, “stop embarrassing yourself”. You are clearly defending him. If you didn’t care, you’d ignore my comment.

I’ve said my peace about Rowe and I will stop talking about him in respect to @Ian latest post.

 

[Kontradiction]

My point has been proven. You are still going out of your way to pick apart my argument to the defend him.

 

[makoute]

Rowe played his last down as a Patriot. He’ll be a free agent.

Bad news for Rowe homers. He will go down as one of the most bizarre players this board had a thing for.

Who has a thing for Rowe?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Who has a thing for Rowe?

There were many in the "Mega Malcolm Butler" thread that has been locked.