Sony Michel Injury (update: Expected to Play Week 10 vs Titans)

[Bradyking12]

I would think his return would depend on the nature of his workouts. Could be he's just trying to keep his legs and lungs in shape. If he's doing any chest and arm stuff that would be encouraging.

Bently and Burkhead the 2 ir returns?

 

[Ring 6]

(Talking about the Seahawks LT)

Grade 1 is not a tear.
Grade 2 is a partial tear
Grade 3 is a computer or near complete tear

My understanding is Michel has a grade 1.

How to Tell If You Have a Knee Sprain

 

[TheRainMaker]

I wish coaches did healthy scratches the way the MLB has a rotation for pitchers. There is no reason to play these guys every week if it means hobbling into the playoffs. Honestly, by the midpoint of the season having a guy on the field for 6-7 games rather than 8 means he is significantly fresher than the competition.

I agree. Injuries are getting so ridiculous, players should skip games against really bad teams. However, because ther’s only 16 games, they need to play as much as they can to pad their stats so they can use it as leverage for their next contract.

 

[luuked]

Grade 1 is not a tear.
Grade 2 is a partial tear
Grade 3 is a computer or near complete tear

My understanding is Michel has a grade 1.

How to Tell If You Have a Knee Sprain

A sprain is a tear. Directly from Chao's tweet. It doesn't get any more direct than that.

 

[Ring 6]

Bently and Burkhead the 2 ir returns?

Dawson?

 

[Ring 6]

A sprain is a tear. Directly from Chao's tweet. It doesn't get any more direct than that.

So there is only one source in the world that can be correct?
Dr Chao doesn’t exactlty have a stellar career behind him, so I will believe independent research over a tweet. You can do what you want.

 

[luuked]

So there is only one source in the world that can be correct?
Dr Chao doesn’t exactlty have a stellar career behind him, so I will believe independent research over a tweet. You can do what you want.

Be my guest. Go on trusting verywellhealth.com over a guy who has nailed pretty much everything in the last few years.

 

[Ring 6]

A sprain is a tear. Directly from Chao's tweet. It doesn't get any more direct than that.

Here is another source that says chao is wrong.
grade 1 knee sprain
Injured ligaments are considered "sprains" and are graded on a severity scale. Grade 1 Sprains. The ligament is mildly damaged in a Grade 1 Sprain. It has been slightly stretched, but is still able to help keep the knee joint stable.

Note: you can find this accurate information with a google search and don’t have to rely on a tweet about a different injury on a different body part from a disgraced doctor.

 

[Bradyking12]

Dawson?

If one or the other is done for the year then sure, but if Burkhead is not season ending, hes mandatory return, and if Bently is not season ending then I think him (LB) for obvious reasons over Dawson (CB), but I think Bently could be done for the year so it could be Burkhead and Dawson.

 

[Ring 6]

Dr Chao, not exactly the best source out there for medical information unless you like your doctors to have their licenses pulled for actions that elicit the words gross negligence, dishonesty and corruption.
Embattled Former Chargers Doctor David Chao Is Now A Twitter Injury Expert, Not Everyone Is A Fan

he had two alcohol-related driving incidents, was subject to a DEA investigation, was reportedly sued 20 times between 1998-2011 and the NFLPA demanded he step down as a result of repeated negligence.

In 2014, Chao had his license revoked by the California Medical Board, but that sentence was stayed as part of a settlement. He is currently serving a five-year probation term instead. He was accused of “committing gross negligence, repeated negligent acts and acts of dishonesty and corruption.”

 

[Froob]

A sprain is a tear. Directly from Chao's tweet. It doesn't get any more direct than that.

Interested to see Bill’s input.

 

[luuked]

Dr Chao, not exactly the best source out there for medical information unless you like your doctors to have their licenses pulled for actions that elicit the words gross negligence, dishonesty and corruption.
Embattled Former Chargers Doctor David Chao Is Now A Twitter Injury Expert, Not Everyone Is A Fan

How is that relevant. He has had an amazing hit rate with what he is projecting on Twitter for 5-6 years now. I could not care less what he has done in his past as it clearly doesn't affect his ability to give good predictions based on tape.

But whatever here is the Rams Doctor (Rams' physician explains differences among knee injuries):

When we hear the term knee sprain, but we are almost trained not take that seriously. But how bad is a knee sprain?

That's a big catch-all term. When we use the term "sprain," by definition it means an injury to a ligament. A "strain" is an injury to a muscle or a tendon. A knee sprain, like I said earlier, could be Grade 1, which is mild with microscopic damage to the ligament, or it could be a complete tear of the ligament, which is a Grade 3 sprain. The problem is the term, "knee sprain" doesn't indicate how bad of an injury it is.

Damage to the ligament is a tear. I mean what are you arguing here ? Semantics ?

 

[BradyFTW!]

A sprain is a tear. Directly from Chao's tweet. It doesn't get any more direct than that.

"All sprains are tears" is a technical truth but in an unintuive, borderline misleading way that's not really accurate or useful to how people discuss or understand 'real' tears. To the extent that a grade 1 sprain is a tear, it's referring to small tearing in the ligament, but the ligament itself is not torn in the sense that most people would assume you mean. It's mildly damaged but intact and able to heal.

When someone says that a guy has a torn MCL--that the ligament has been torn in two--they are referring to a grade 3 sprain.

The more useful point of clarification, IMO, is the other way around: that all tears are sprains. Because that actually has caused confusion here in the past, when a ligament injury would be reported as a severe sprain and people would breathe a sigh of relief that it wasn't a tear, without realizing that 'severe sprain' means either a partial tear or complete tear.

 

[BradyFTW!]

How is that relevant. He has had an amazing hit rate with what he is projecting on Twitter for 5-6 years now. I could not care less what he has done in his past as it clearly doesn't affect his ability to give good predictions based on tape.

But whatever here is the Rams Doctor (Rams' physician explains differences among knee injuries):



Damage to the ligament is a tear. I mean what are you arguing here ? Semantics ?

Arguing that "mild, microscopic damage to the ligament" is a tear seems to be the real semantic case here. To whatever extent it could be technically true, nobody equates mild, microscopic damage to an otherwise intact ligament to a ligament tear.

 

[luuked]

Arguing that "mild, microscopic damage to the ligament" is a tear seems to be the real semantic case here. To whatever extent it could be technically true, nobody equates mild, microscopic damage to an otherwise intact ligament to a ligament tear.

You get a grade 1 ACL you will have surgery. Because it is torn. Other tissue might regenerate by themselves but a tear is a tear. Words have meaning.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

How is that relevant. He has had an amazing hit rate with what he is projecting on Twitter for 5-6 years now. I could not care less what he has done in his past as it clearly doesn't affect his ability to give good predictions based on tape.

But whatever here is the Rams Doctor (Rams' physician explains differences among knee injuries):



Damage to the ligament is a tear. I mean what are you arguing here ? Semantics ?

Microscopic means you can not see it with your naked eye. So it is torn but so slightly there is no visible evidence without using a microscope. So a Grade 1 is both torn and not torn, it depends on how closely you look . So you are both correct.

But you can always use a bigger microscope too, so every time we lift weights we are injuring our muscles with microscopic tears that heal bigger than the muscles were before lifting the weights. So if we believe microscopic tears to be "reportable", everyone in the Pats weight room has to go on the weekly injury report with Grade 1 sprains.

BTW, my Dad has a bigger microscope than your Dad.

 

[Sicilian]

The real thing here, is that no one on this board (unless they're a doctor) should be arguing ****Y about this. No one here knows the truth to an extent that they can translate the nuances. When a doctor tweets something, or it ends up on a website for everyone to see, it is simplified so that people who DON'T have medical degrees can get a read on it. Fine to have an opinion, but like I said, let's not start getting big heads over which poster is less inaccurate about the situation.

 

[luuked]

The real thing here, is that no one on this board (unless they're a doctor) should be arguing ****Y about this. No one here knows the truth to an extent that they can translate the nuances. When a doctor tweets something, or it ends up on a website for everyone to see, it is simplified so that people who DON'T have medical degrees can get a read on it. Fine to have an opinion, but like I said, let's not start getting big heads over which poster is less inaccurate about the situation.

You are right. Whatever.

 

[Ring 6]

You get a grade 1 ACL you will have surgery. Because it is torn. Other tissue might regenerate by themselves but a tear is a tear. Words have meaning.

This is wrong. Grade 1 sprains heal and do not require surgery.

 

[signbabybrady]