Could the Patriots trade Malcom Brown to Lions?

[Ring 6]

Relative.

As a first round pick coming from this organization, could argue bust. Outside of injured ones, few first round picks have been more “meh”. Maybe Maroney and Graham.

If Brown were a mid-round pick, we would be applauding the team for finding a decent to good starter.

Definitely not a great pick, which we should have known because Kiper and company said they got the steal of the draft, always meaning this will be a huge disappointment.

Brown has been here 3 years. He has played the most snaps of any DT.
As a rookie and last year he played the most snaps of all DTs. In year 2 he played just 30 less than Branch and played 596 snaps, a lot for a dt.
He has 8.5 career sacks, which is fine for a Dt who’s primary job is run d, and as good as anyone does in this system in that role. (Equal to wilforks best 3 years)
In the post season brown played the most dt snaps in each game in 15 (as a rookie) and last year, where he played over 80% of the snaps in the afccg/Sb. In 16 he was second slightly behind branch.

Belichick praises him and puts him in the field and he plays well.
To call brown a bust is to say you know nothing about football.

 

[LaterGator]

The Bedard article is one of those throw crap at the walls and see if anything sticks, why would you trade Brown for someone who may or may not pick up our system??.. If you keep him and he moves on next year you get a Comp pick??

Brown plays a position that is hard to evaluate as a fan, as it does not lend itself to gaudy statistics or any statistical evidence at all...

Bedard et al need to justify their existence..

I subscribe it's mostly worth it. Bedard has had a series of click bait articles lately. He has an ego the size of Texas, and tends to defer to media trolls like F&M and Shaughnessy. In that article he writes who Detroit might have to offer and concludes there's probably not a match....so WTF?! I can get that garbage from any media hack.

OTOH he does do great weekly breakdowns of Patriots games. Chris Price, Seam McAdam and Brian Robb are all excellent. Bedard is my least favorite of the bunch by a wide margin.

 

[stinkypete]

I agree with the premise that Detroit is a sensible trade partner for Brown given his experience in the Patricia's scheme. The question is why would you trade him? The compensation would be no better than a 4th round pick, and trading Brown away in no way makes the team better. There's no cap considerations in play here. The move makes no sense.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'm absolutely here for the Triumph--Andy Johnson tilt. Yes, please

 

[maineman209]

I'm absolutely here for the Triumph--Andy Johnson tilt. Yes, please

There's currently a popcorn-worthy BGC v. OTG bout in progress in another thread.

Just an FYI.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

There's currently a popcorn-worthy BGC v. OTG bout in progress in another thread.

Just an FYI.

This is good Patsfans, thanks for the heads up.

 

[upstater1]

It's an endlessly repeated, simplistic media assertion that's parroted by fans -- "common wisdom/rule of thumb" that seems logical and, thus, goes unquestioned. That doesn't make it fact.

With "play harder" being undefinable, much less quantifiable, the assertion remains an untestable hypothesis - on a par with, "Every time I wash my car, it rains."

And that's an assertion that's impossible to prove. Furthermore, the Pats didn't have Branch for that game because Branch himself wanted out. Instead of "playing harder" in his contract year, he held out - demanding a bigger contract extension or a trade.

Reche Caldwell.

 

[TomPatriot]

I agree with the premise that Detroit is a sensible trade partner for Brown given his experience in the Patricia's scheme. The question is why would you trade him? The compensation would be no better than a 4th round pick, and trading Brown away in no way makes the team better. There's no cap considerations in play here. The move makes no sense.

In return for Brown, I’ll take their “third WR,” Golden Tate, for $1,000, Alex. That is, if he can fit under the cap.

 

[Ring 6]

In return for Brown, I’ll take their “third WR,” Golden Tate, for $1,000, Alex. That is, if he can fit under the cap.

I think that trade would weaken the DL more than it would improve the passing game.
Btw Tate is their #1

 

[TomPatriot]

In this preseason so far, he’s not. He was not in the two receiver sets they ran last week.

But, ya, it was a bit tongue in cheek. BB makes that trade in no time at all if he could.

 

[Ring 6]

In this preseason so far, he’s not. He was not in the two receiver sets they ran last week.

But, ya, it was a bit tongue in cheek. BB makes that trade in no time at all if he could.

Disagree.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Brown has tons of talent, but he has never taken the next step, so to speak. He plateaued after year two.

I think bb not picking up his 5th year option is bb’s way of try to get brown to up his game,

 

[Love The Drake]

Brown has tons of talent, but he has never taken the next step, so to speak. He plateaued after year two.

I think bb not picking up his 5th year option is bb’s way of try to get brown to up his game,

Brown will not be a Patriot unless he signs for 5 mill to 7 mill a season.
Hes not worth any more.

 

[maineman209]

Reche Caldwell.

I can say, unequivocally, that Reche Caldwell has never washed my car.

 

[TomPatriot]

Brown will not be a Patriot unless he signs for 5 mill to 7 mill a season.
Hes not worth any more.

Unless he has a monster year, he won’t even get paid that much. The Pats already declined his 5th year option. He has the physical tools (big, agile) but he takes plays off, doesn’t take up space and doesn’t command a double team.

 

[maineman209]

Brown will not be a Patriot unless he signs for 5 mill to 7 mill a season.
Hes not worth any more.

Brown's 5th-year option was $7M.

There are several DTs in the league who have been less productive than Brown over the past three seasons who are currently making $8M to $10M.

OTOH, only Brady, Gilmore, DMac, Gronk, HT and Cannon have cap hits that exceed $5M on the Pats.

 

[maineman209]

Brown has tons of talent, but he has never taken the next step, so to speak. He plateaued after year two.

I think bb not picking up his 5th year option is bb’s way of try to get brown to up his game,

Brown's NFL stats:

2015: 16 games, 47 TT, 3.0 sacks
2016: 16 games, 50 TT, 3.0 sacks, 1 FF
2017: 13 games, 49 TT, 2.5 sacks (Brown missed 3 games with an ankle injury, and was somewhat more productive on a per-game basis, even without Branch.)

Post-season: 8 games, 29 TT, 1.0 sacks

I'm not sure what "next step" folks are expecting Brown to have taken. He's been exactly the player he was at Texas - a very steady, gap-plugging, interior run-defender who gets an occasional sack. That's Brown's game and that's the role the Pats drafted him to play. He was never going to be a big "pressure guy".

As I've noted previously, there are several DTs around the league who have been less productive (tackles and sacks) over the past three seasons, but who are being paid $8M to $10M.

Meanwhile, by the end of 2018, the Pats will have had his services for four seasons at a total cost of $7.6M ($1.9M APY).

BB not picking up Brown's 5th-year option was purely a financial decision. Brown being in a contract year is highly unlikely to motivate him to turn into Wilfork or Aaron Donald.

BTW - Brown just turned 24 at the beginning of February.

 

[DarrylS]

Not sure how you measure the statistical success of a player like Michael Brown...

Not sure if anyone remembers how this board and local scribes loathed the play of Richard Seymour when he was here, only to have BB ascend to the podium after one of Seymour's (mediocre) games to tell us all about his stellar play..

 

[Kontradiction]

They don’t need to trade Brown. They just need to use him right. If they’re lining him up at either the 0 or 1-Tech, he’ll get blown off the line of scrimmage regularly, again. He’s ideally a 3-tech.

 

[IllegalContact]

I say trade Brady

cuz Hoyer looks awesome