Schefter: Pats expected to add incentives to Brady's deal

[supafly]

A Ralph Wiggum face would do.

It may serve some type of purpose, I suppose, but it’s difficult to imagine Ian implementing something that could alienate certain posters for coming up with unpopular ideas. I could be wrong, but I doubt that we’ll be seeing any clown faces or dunce caps anytime soon. The “dislike” button is likely sufficient enough to get that point across.

 

[supafly]

I think you are underestimating the money he will want for what might be his last chance for a really big cash day. I dont think the two situations are similar beyond the fact that money is involved.

I think they’re similar in terms of them both being under contract for two more years and both having age/injury concerns that would make many GMs take it through the 2018 season, at the very earliest.
Hell, Gronk went off the rails a few months ago and openly discussed retirement. How does that not put him in a similar situation?

If Gronk stays injury-free, keeps a positive attitude regarding his conditioning etc, and wants to keep playing, then I think it’s a no-brainer to offer another couple of years onto his deal, but much like Brady, they hardly need to worry about that right now. There’s reason to be cautious with offering new guaranteed money to either player prior to the 2018 season.

 

[luuked]

It may serve some type of purpose, I suppose, but it’s difficult to imagine Ian implementing something that could alienate certain posters for coming up with unpopular ideas. I could be wrong, but I doubt that we’ll be seeing any clown faces or dunce caps anytime soon. The “dislike” button is likely sufficient enough to get that point across.

It was obviously a joke. We already have the genius icon to celebrate Volin.

 

[luuked]

I think they’re similar in terms of them both being under contract for two more years and both having age/injury concerns that would make many GMs take it through the 2018 season, at the very earliest.
Hell, Gronk went off the rails a few months ago and openly discussed retirement. How does that not put him in a similar situation?

If Gronk stays injury-free, keeps a positive attitude regarding his conditioning etc, and wants to keep playing, then I think it’s a no-brainer to offer another couple of years onto his deal, but much like Brady, they hardly need to worry about that right now. There’s reason to be cautious with offering new guaranteed money to either player prior to the 2018 season.

The difference is that Gronk will most probably look for a truly big payday whereas Brady is not looking to reset the QB market with his contracts.

 

[supafly]

It was obviously a joke. We already have the genius icon to celebrate Volin.

Sorry that I misread the sarcasm. I had seen others discussing ideas that were similar at some point, so I thought there was a chance that was the case, here.

 

[supafly]

The difference is that Gronk will most probably look for a truly big payday whereas Brady is not looking to reset the QB market with his contracts.

Sure, but do you see much difference in what Gronk would want right now versus what he’d be looking for next season? I think there’s always the assumption that a player may ask for more money with another solid year behind him, but that needs to be weighed against the risks too, and there are certainly risks with adding years to Gronk’s current deal prior to the 2018 season. If it costs them another million per year of AAV, so be it. I still think it’s the safer choice.

Brady = age, heightened concern of injury, assumed amount of drop off with each passing year from here on out, disgruntled about certain things such as training regimen, could walk away with a SB win either this year or next. Rights are controlled by the team for two more years.

Gronk = 3 back surgeries, blown knee, openly discussed retirement in an attempted power move that went right up to the draft, hints of immaturity and even odd decision making with the Monster energy drink thing, disgruntled with training regimen/Guerrero situation, and tied to the hip with Brady who could play out his contract and retire. Also under the control of the team for two more years.

 

[Ring 6]

Sure, but do you see much difference in what Gronk would want right now versus what he’d be looking for next season? I think there’s always the assumption that a player may ask for more money with another solid year behind him, but that needs to be weighed against the risks too, and there are certainly risks with adding years to Gronk’s current deal prior to the 2018 season. If it costs them another million per year of AAV, so be it. I still think it’s the safer choice.

Brady = age, heightened concern of injury, assumed amount of drop off with each passing year from here on out, disgruntled about certain things such as training regimen, could walk away with a SB win either this year or next. Rights are controlled by the team for two more years.

Gronk = 3 back surgeries, blown knee, openly discussed retirement in an attempted power move that went right up to the draft, hints of immaturity and even odd decision making with the Monster energy drink thing, disgruntled with training regimen/Guerrero situation, and tied to the hip with Brady who could play out his contract and retire. Also under the control of the team for two more years.

Just to clarify Gronk did not “openly discuss retirement”. The media “openly discussed” his retirement but gronk just gave vague responses.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

Brady will have the 2nd highest cap hit in the NFL in 2018 behind only Jimmy G when he hits his incentives which is rare for the Patriots they usually push the bigger cap numbers down the road with an extension.

Tells you that Belichick doesn't want to commit to Brady playing until 45 no matter how much everyone seems sure he will be able to, he'd rather play it year to year with a bigger number than risk dead money 3 years from now.

 

[luuked]

Brady will have the 2nd highest cap hit in the NFL in 2018 behind only Jimmy G when he hits his incentives which is rare for the Patriots they usually push the bigger cap numbers down the road with an extension.

Tells you that Belichick doesn't want to commit to Brady playing until 45 no matter how much everyone seems sure he will be able to, he'd rather play it year to year with a bigger number than risk dead money 3 years from now.

For context of the math.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

It may serve some type of purpose, I suppose, but it’s difficult to imagine Ian implementing something that could alienate certain posters for coming up with unpopular ideas. I could be wrong, but I doubt that we’ll be seeing any clown faces or dunce caps anytime soon. The “dislike” button is likely sufficient enough to get that point across.

Hell, too many people already get their panties in a royal twist over a red X icon. I can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth with icons like that.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

I wonder when bill will draft a QB. Hoyer’s terrible.

 

[long distance]

so all hits this yrs cap as LTBE

 

[maineman209]

Gronk ... (snip) ... openly discussed retirement in an attempted power move

I test out in the 99th percentile on the cynicism scale, and even I don't believe that there was anything deliberate or calculated about Gronk's post-SB (and post-break-in) "retirement" statement. I think it was just a juvenile emotional outburst from his frustration with the moment.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

So what happens if an LTBE isn’t reached? Cap credit the following year?

 

[supafly]

I test out in the 99th percentile on the cynicism scale, and even I don't believe that there was anything deliberate or calculated about Gronk's post-SB (and post-break-in) "retirement" statement. I think it was just a juvenile emotional outburst from his frustration with the moment.

While you’re probably correct, it’s certainly something they’ll take notice of, and when combined with the injury concerns, may give pause for offering an extension with a full two years remaining on the deal.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

So what happens if an LTBE isn’t reached? Cap credit the following year?

Yup.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

So what happens if an LTBE isn’t reached? Cap credit the following year?

yes
If an “LTBE” is not achieved in the given season, then the Club will receive a credit of the unearned amount towards the following season’s cap number.

Sports Negotiations - Defining NFL contract incentives

 

[NG Pats Fan]

so all hits this yrs cap as LTBE

Ridiculous to ask a 41 year old QB to reach these incentives. Hopefully a 41 year old man doesn’t have to carry a bad defense again.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Ridiculous to ask a 41 year old QB to reach these incentives. Hopefully a 41 year old man doesn’t have to carry a bad defense again.

You realize these are add-ons, right? How about - ridiculous for a player who signed a contract already to ask for more money. Anyway, Brady wants to be paid like a top NFL QB, team will pay him if he is, won't pay him if he's not. What's wrong with that?

 

[NG Pats Fan]

You realize these are add-ons, right? How about - ridiculous for a player who signed a contract already to ask for more money. Anyway, Brady wants to be paid like a top NFL QB, team will pay him if he is, won't pay him if he's not. What's wrong with that?

Yeah because brady hasn’t saved the patriots 60 million dollars over his career so BB could piece together a better team...

And now a 41 year old man, who just carried a pathetic defense and piss poor coaching staff in the Super Bowl last year, is askin for a little more money before he rides off into the sunset...how selfish of him

This is a slap in the face to brady