Why Is Innovator Bill Belichick Inflexible About Flexibility?

[Triumph]

Guerrero’s program doesn’t fit all.

Wrong

Gronk was in the program, Brady and Gronk total opposites.

 

[Triumph]

I’m not assuming it, im saying just because Guerrero has a program that works for Brady it doesnt mean he has a program that would work for other players.

Actually gronk wasn’t fine when camp started.
I think that was part of the issue.

How do you know what was wrong with Gronk?

Working for the Patriots these days are you?

 

[DarrylS]

I gotta an idea let the Pats Players work out with whomever they want to whenever they want to, and drink made up sports drinks to enhance their performance... then show up for the Friday walk through and see what happens..

It is ludicrous that there could be a suggestion that players choose where they work out.. if Guerrero had merit, BB and crew would allow him to compliment their current strength and conditioning crew.. in case there are those who forget the Pats use resistance bands to encourage flexibility ...

 

[1960Pats]

I gotta an idea let the Pats Players work out with whomever they want to whenever they want to, and drink made up sports drinks to enhance their performance... then show up for the Friday walk through and see what happens..

It is ludicrous that there could be a suggestion that players choose where they work out.. if Guerrero had merit, BB and crew would allow him to compliment their current strength and conditioning crew.. in case there are those who forget the Pats use resistance bands to encourage flexibility ...

Football players shouldn't be any different than anyone else. I don't feel that any employer should have the right to tell any employee who to see for medical or conditioning advice.

If the Pats don't like the fact that Brady and Gronk are going for treatment where they want then that's just too bad. As Bill would say, it is what it is.

 

[zoostation]

I think Bill said it best himself.

Bill Belichick: ‘I’m a football coach, I’m not a doctor’

Lol...right.

And he sometimes follow it with: "The doctors perform the surgeries, and I coach the team. Things work out well with this approach."

 

[luuked]

Football players shouldn't be any different than anyone else. I don't feel that any employer should have the right to tell any employee who to see for medical or conditioning advice.

If the Pats don't like the fact that Brady and Gronk are going for treatment where they want then that's just too bad. As Bill would say, it is what it is.

But none of this is an issue and any player is free to visit, consult or get treatment from any doctor they want. Again, what the entire issue is about is AG telling players to stop following the assignments given out by the strength and conditioning crew.

This has nothing to do with treatment, it never did. This is about Guerrero undermining the organizational structure which is why BB kicked his ass out even further than before.

 

[rochrist]

One of the great things about this board is the diversity of opinion on most subjects. So, in that spirit, I put the above question on the table. It is quite baffling to me.

We have often read about how BB is an innovator in many areas, is eager to learn from others, and is very adaptable to change. He is often a bellwether for the rest of the league. Yet, if we are to even partially believe the media (I know, that's a stretch!), it appears that he is hostile (or at least inflexible) when it comes to Alex Guerrero and the TB12 method of conditioning.

Medicine is rapidly changing; Sports Medicine as well. Brady swears by AG and his methods. That's hard to argue against, given that Tom's age, conditioning, and performance these past few years has been historic. Even Gronk had a healthy season last year and looked fresh throughout! I realize that the sample size is very small at this time, but doesn't the TB12 method look a bit promising?

Has BB thoroughly evaluated the TB12 methodology and concluded that it is horsesh*t? Why else hasn't he embraced it? Certainly, if he wanted to, he could find a way to integrate these ideas and methods into the Patriot system. Perhaps the "science" is too new to try? Maybe he just doesn't like AG?

Does anyone else here think that this situation is a bit odd?

I doubt he's 'inflexible about flexibility'.

I do think he's inflexible about some guy with a shady past coming in off the street and telling players to disregard the instructions of the actual training staff.

I also suspect that he doesn't want a guy associated with scamming cancer patients and selling concussion water within 10 miles of the New England brand.

 

[borg]

 

[ralmat55]

Just a thought. Could the reason Gronk got off to a slow start last training camp have been because he was coming back from BACK surgery? What was it his third back surgery?

Gronkowski didn’t disavow the TB12 methods and start hanging and banging in the weight room. He stuck with the program and went on to have one of the best and healthiest seasons of his career.

You can call AG a snake oil salesman all you want for advocating drinking plenty of water and eating green vegetables and berries, but I’ll take that over a medical industry that has been passing Vicodin, Percocet and OxyContin out like candy.

 

[DarrylS]

Football players shouldn't be any different than anyone else. I don't feel that any employer should have the right to tell any employee who to see for medical or conditioning advice.

If the Pats don't like the fact that Brady and Gronk are going for treatment where they want then that's just too bad. As Bill would say, it is what it is.

Even if it is part of their contract??? Do not see an issue with going for tx or further training as long as they adhere to the basic philosophy of the team they are employed by... the conflict arises when the tx is contradictory rather than complimentary.

The Pats also employ bands and flexibility as part of their training regimen.. not sure about the magic elixirs though.

 

[Clonamery]

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[mosslost]

Yeah, I shouldn’t have posted what I did. It was insensitive. And I apologize if I offended anyone. The point I was trying to make with a side of cheap humor was that anyone attaching a label to someone, when it is an inaccurate one is absurd. I tired to match that with an absurd statement. /doh

bro it is nothing to be ashamed of it is 2018.

 

[Sicilian]

Football players shouldn't be any different than anyone else. I don't feel that any employer should have the right to tell any employee who to see for medical or conditioning advice.

If the Pats don't like the fact that Brady and Gronk are going for treatment where they want then that's just too bad. As Bill would say, it is what it is.

When the service your employer is paying you for is based on physical performance, they have every right to tell you what kind of training activities they want you involved in. I don't think they can tell you never to seek alternatives on your own time, but if you start blowing off what they want you to do, they don't have to just shrug and say, "Oh well, they're free men." I don't know if that's exactly what happened here, but these men are getting paid millions of dollars by a team that needs them to do very specific things.

Think of it like a restaurant requiring employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom. They don't care what you do when you're at home. Piss on your hands then eat a sandwich for all they care. But when you're in the kitchen at work, you follow their rules.

 

[BTTA]

As many here have suggested, this is more about process and power than it is about content. No single player has the right to interfere with the team's authority to put certain process in place for the players regarding medical treatment. That's in the contract. It really doesn't matter what AG is selling.

 

[BTTA]

As a healthcare professional, the whole Guerrero method is very frustrating and goes against a lot of what I know and have learned. On the flip side, I am intrigued by it because clearly it has worked extremely well for Brady. Part of me thinks there may be a 'placebo effect' with some of Guerrero's stuff. Not to mention, eating healthy and stretching/plyometrics/agility training etc. are always beneficial and can keep a person young. I'm not sure about the whole 'nightshades vegetables' promoting inflammation though, in addition to some of these other claims. They have plenty of health benefits such as certain vitamins and antioxidants. I would need to see some credible research on that.
Anyways, the point I'm trying to make is that it works for Brady, and seems like Gronk has had success with it, so tough to argue against their methods.

The antioxidant industry is one of the great con jobs in modern American marketing. Somebody notices that certain substances react to other substances in a test tube, and then make the leap that it must also be true inside the human body. Many hundreds of millions of $$ in sales later, actual research is done that finds no correlation in human health, and quite a few warnings.

The latest study about antioxidants is terrifying. Scientists think they may boost cancer cells to spread faster.

Don't waste your time taking antioxidant supplements after exercise

Health Check: the untrue story of antioxidants vs free radicals

This is the kind of thinking - I want to believe it therefore I will - that AG and Brady fall into, unfortunately. It means that some portion of what they are doing is true, and some portion isn't. Fueled by the need for publicity and building a brand, everyone's judgment gets compromised. And then we get a mixture of commercialization and medical advice, like this goop | A modern lifestyle brand. that creates massive amounts of distortion. There's no reason to think Brady is any more immune to this than the next person, just because he plays football well.

 

[neuronet]

You can't get big eating Brady's diet and working out with resistance bands. In the weightlifting community we have a saying - "eat big to get big"...and in most cases you have to be big and strong to play football well...

I actually paid for his boxed food plan, and it is surprisingly robust and filling. They did their homework for athletes. I would still be on it if it wasn't so damned expensive. If I weighed 100 lbs more, yes I would have to add some more fat to it probably, but it wouldn't have to be in the form of beef.

 

[Boogs]

As a healthcare professional, the whole Guerrero method is very frustrating and goes against a lot of what I know and have learned. On the flip side, I am intrigued by it because clearly it has worked extremely well for Brady. Part of me thinks there may be a 'placebo effect' with some of Guerrero's stuff. Not to mention, eating healthy and stretching/plyometrics/agility training etc. are always beneficial and can keep a person young. I'm not sure about the whole 'nightshades vegetables' promoting inflammation though, in addition to some of these other claims. They have plenty of health benefits such as certain vitamins and antioxidants. I would need to see some credible research on that.
Anyways, the point I'm trying to make is that it works for Brady, and seems like Gronk has had success with it, so tough to argue against their methods.

Any good videos out there about what Brady does?

Diet and recovery are probably underated. I'm sure you'd agree. Many guys are lacking there.

Elasticity of muscle, tendon, and joints is beneficial. It can improve performance, improves power in throwing a ball, can keep you more injury free (bend but not break).

As we get older, we lose elasticity. And working on it becomes more crucial if you want to keep playing.

And having optimal mobility of the whole body for an athlete can improve precision of movement. Crucial for precision athletes like qb's. That way the whole body can potentially contribute in the kinetic chain optimally.

You won't be a brute doing this type of training only, but Brady doesn't need to be a brute.

The things above can also help the brutes of football be less prone to injury imo.

 

[PP2]

There were reports that gronk sucked at the start of camp. I believe those reports cited that as a reason belichick had issues with Guerrero conflicting with the team training and conditioning staff

Yet he went on to play in 15 of 16 games, and as we all know, the only game he missed was not because of injury.

And as has been said, we don't know whether Gronk sucked because of the big adjustment to his lifestyle/training regimen or because of his recovery from back surgery.

 

[PlainOldEd]

Why Bill hasn't fully embraced a guy that can prevent concussions and cure cancer is beyond me.

Don't forget sunburn...

 

[Ring 6]

Yet he went on to play in 15 of 16 games, and as we all know, the only game he missed was not because of injury.

And as has been said, we don't know whether Gronk sucked because of the big adjustment to his lifestyle/training regimen or because of his recovery from back surgery.

We don’t but reports are that they were related so it merits consideration.