Former Patriot Brandon Browner Arrested for Kidnapping, Four Other Charges

[Kontradiction]

What in the world are you talking about?
This isn’t something created just for Amazon. Corporate welfare lol.
Inmates work for many companies.

When amazon or any other company makes money, who do you think benefits?

The MNC’s executives first and foremost.

 

[1960Pats]

Yes, I'm sure that you'd love me to.

Nobody else can mess with your head, man. Only you can mess with your head.

In my life I've seen a few tough guys reduced to a sobbing mess by a woman.

 

[Love The Drake]

Im

Women mess your head up crazy stuff.

Im not saying I condone what he did and I didnt read it in great detail.
I was just saying only a woman has the power to make a man do something crazy.

 

[fnordcircle]

I was just saying only a woman has the power to make a man do something crazy.

This is the same logic that is used to support the 'she was asking for it' type of rape comments.

Men are not at the whims of women. We're in control of our actions, full stop.

Source: I'm a man who has not always enjoyed the best side of relationships with women but have still prided myself on getting through it without lowering myself to verbal or physical attacks.

 

[Tunescribe]

I'm a man who has not always enjoyed the best side of relationships with women but have still prided myself on getting through it without lowering myself to verbal or physical attacks.

 

[lancerman]

This is the same logic that is used to support the 'she was asking for it' type of rape comments.

Men are not at the whims of women. We're in control of our actions, full stop.

Source: I'm a man who has not always enjoyed the best side of relationships with women but have still prided myself on getting through it without lowering myself to verbal or physical attacks.

I've never got physical or verbal with a woman, but I've had women who seriously tested that to the point where mentally I had to check out and leave cause if I stayed in it, then it would have been an absolute disaster. There are some women who are just ****ed up in the head

 

[fnordcircle]

I've never got physical or verbal with a woman, but I've had women who seriously tested that to the point where mentally I had to check out and leave cause if I stayed in it, then it would have been an absolute disaster. There are some women who are just ****ed up in the head

I guess I just take umbrage at the fact that crazy women are being brought up in this thread as though to mitigate the alleged actions of what might very well be a crazy man.

If a woman ****s over a dude in divorce court nobody seems to ever bring up the fact that there are crazy, stalker dudes in this world...Hmmmm

 

[lancerman]

I guess I just take umbrage at the fact that crazy women are being brought up in this thread as though to mitigate the alleged actions of what might very well be a crazy man.

If a woman ****s over a dude in divorce court nobody seems to ever bring up the fact that there are crazy, stalker dudes in this world...Hmmmm

I don't think people are trying to say that she's at fault or that you excuse behavior. I think people are saying that when someone goes this far off the deep end, it's very unsurprising that a woman was involved. Same with when a women does something batshit. Usually involves a man.

 

[fnordcircle]

I don't think people are trying to say that she's at fault or that you excuse behavior.

Hence my very specific use of the word 'mitigate'.

What other reason could there be to bring up crazy women in this thread?

 

[Love The Drake]

Hence my very specific use of the word 'mitigate'.

What other reason could there be to bring up crazy women in this thread?

I'm not saying someone who goes ofc the deep end doesn't have a little crazy in them anyway.
But it typically is caused triggered by a situation with the opposite sex.

 

[The Brandon Five]

What in the world are you talking about?
This isn’t something created just for Amazon. Corporate welfare lol.
Inmates work for many companies.

When amazon or any other company makes money, who do you think benefits?

Large multi-nationals? Primarily the executives. Then shareholders.

Unless the practice is made equally available to small businesses then it is yet another thumb on the scale in favor of those large multi-nationals.

I have criticized the Chinese for their labor camps. It is depressing to see we have decided to follow their example.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Large multi-nationals? Primarily the executives. Then shareholders.

Unless the practice is made equally available to small businesses then it is yet another thumb on the scale in favor of those large multi-nationals.

I have criticized the Chinese for their labor camps. It is depressing to see we have decided to follow their example.

Thinking about this some more, I see that it creates an incentive for corporations to favor legislation and governance that leads to increased incarceration...wait, isn't that where this conversation started? I am shocked!

 

[Ring 6]

Large multi-nationals? Primarily the executives. Then shareholders.

Unless the practice is made equally available to small businesses then it is yet another thumb on the scale in favor of those large multi-nationals.

I have criticized the Chinese for their labor camps. It is depressing to see we have decided to follow their example.

While executives certainly make ale more money if they make more money for the company they are running, the shareholders own the company. I recently read that over 50% of all US stock is held by retirement plans, 401ks, and mutual funds. So the primary beneficiary is the middle class.

Further if a Corp makes more profit the government collect more tax. (If the executives take a larger salary they collect more tax too). So social programs benefit from corporate financial health as well.

Additionally corporations that make more money hire more employees, so society as a whole benefits.

Of course when a corporation cuts costs in producing a product, the price of the product falls and the consumer saves money.

I’m not sure how corporations being able to save money on costs can be construed as a bad thing. Corporations are the life blood of our economy. They are how we have jobs and are able to obtain the goods and services we need. They are not amorphous, evil entities that are a scourge on the world.

 

[Ring 6]

Thinking about this some more, I see that it creates an incentive for corporations to favor legislation and governance that leads to increased incarceration...wait, isn't that where this conversation started? I am shocked!

Corporate profit leads to incarceration? Wow.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Corporate profit leads to incarceration? Wow.

Nope, in this country it leads to millions and millions of people who work full time but still can’t make enough to eat consistently. Disney is an excellent example of this.

 

[The Brandon Five]

While executives certainly make ale more money if they make more money for the company they are running, the shareholders own the company. I recently read that over 50% of all US stock is held by retirement plans, 401ks, and mutual funds. So the primary beneficiary is the middle class.

Further if a Corp makes more profit the government collect more tax. (If the executives take a larger salary they collect more tax too). So social programs benefit from corporate financial health as well.

Additionally corporations that make more money hire more employees, so society as a whole benefits.

Of course when a corporation cuts costs in producing a product, the price of the product falls and the consumer saves money.

I’m not sure how corporations being able to save money on costs can be construed as a bad thing. Corporations are the life blood of our economy. They are how we have jobs and are able to obtain the goods and services we need. They are not amorphous, evil entities that are a scourge on the world.

Corporate income taxes are not a large source of revenue.

U.S. Corporate Tax Revenue is Low Because High Taxes Have Shrunk the Corporate Sector - Tax Foundation

Corporations saving money is not the issue. The issue is when those savings come at the expense of local, state or federal government (and in this case on the backs of people who are incarcerated).

 

[The Brandon Five]

Corporate profit leads to incarceration? Wow.

You don't see how this creates an incentive for that?

Let me break it down for you:

- Incarcerated people are hired out to politically-connected corporations to provide labor at below-market rates
- Corporations seeks to lower their labor costs
- Thus, increased incarceration helps them

I merely pointed out that we coincidentally have a huge increase in the percentage of our population that is incarcerated. Whether their is any connection there is an open question, but I think it is still a question. You disagree. Fair enough.

I don't have as much faith in corporations as you do. To each their own.

 

[Kontradiction]

You don't see how this creates an incentive for that?

Let me break it down for you:

- Incarcerated people are hired out to politically-connected corporations to provide labor at below-market rates
- Corporations seeks to lower their labor costs
- Thus, increased incarceration helps them

I merely pointed out that we coincidentally have a huge increase in the percentage of our population that is incarcerated. Whether their is any connection there is an open question, but I think it is still a question. You disagree. Fair enough.

I don't have as much faith in corporations as you do. To each their own.

I don't know if you can make the case that it leads to incarceration, though. But it certainly helps MNCs such as a Google and Amazon lower their labor costs and helps the budget. Of that there is absolutely no doubt. Meanwhile, John or Jane Q. Taxpayer, who spent years in school learning to become a data analyst while racking up student loan debt in the process, is out of a job.

 

[Kontradiction]

When your top ethical priority as a manager is to increase profits for your shareholders, it's going to create a ton of moral dilemmas. Managers are in positions every day where they're at a moral crossroads. This conversation is just an example of one of them. Even though essentially outsourcing jobs to inmates at below median market rates is morally wrong, it's not illegal. So unless there is or the shareholders think there will be a strong backlash by the MNC's customers resulting in losses, most managers are going to pull the trigger. Especially corporations like Google and Amazon that have enough money to throw around to avoid regulation.

 

[Ring 6]

You don't see how this creates an incentive for that?

Let me break it down for you:

- Incarcerated people are hired out to politically-connected corporations to provide labor at below-market rates
- Corporations seeks to lower their labor costs
- Thus, increased incarceration helps them

I merely pointed out that we coincidentally have a huge increase in the percentage of our population that is incarcerated. Whether their is any connection there is an open question, but I think it is still a question. You disagree. Fair enough.

I don't have as much faith in corporations as you do. To each their own.

Do you even have any idea how common or widespread this is?
Do you seriously believe that a corporation, is going to spend its money lobbying to put more people in jail so they could have a couple more inmates on the payroll? And if that were the case, that they would have any standing whatsoever to succeed?

It’s not an open question it’s a delusional question.