When will Kraft, Belichick, and Brady have their "Meeting of the minds?"

[luuked]

I didn’t hear it on the last episode, so maybe Curran addresses it in the next week or two.

IF this is actually how Brady feels, I’d have to guess that the Guerrero situation has to have a lot to do with things. Just wish this crap would go away. I guess we lucked out last offseason in the sense that there wasn’t as much drama in terms of serial killers, multiple years of cheating scandals/court cases/suspensions, stars pondering retirement, etc. It was a pretty easy offseason from a fan’s perspective. Of course, winning 2/3 years helped a lot.

Right ?

We have been in the SB 3 out of 4 years and a mainstay in the AFCCG for what ? 7 years ?

I dont get what there is to complain about. People should just realize that the difference between the worst and the best teams in the league is far smaller than they want to accept. There really are no gimmies.. even backup players are amazing athletes.

But people just discount games against anyone except big names. Spoiled, spoiled and spoiled.

 

[Ivan]

The breaking point was Bill Belichick making the worst coaching decision of his career and costing Brady a Super Bowl. He can put up with Bill's ******** when its being done to help win games but when he costs them a game its too much.

Boo boo hoo

The GDT continues.....

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I think Tom vs. Tim showed us how much AG means to TB(12). If AG's presence and indirect interference with the official training staff gets under BB's skin, I don't see any water flowing under any bridge.

Tebow?

 

[Boomer B]

Would love to know if there is a recording of this somewhere. Hopefully Curran will talk about it on QuickSlants because this is a total departure from what Curran (and everyone really) has been saying specifically about Brady in the past.

He and Perry has been saying for years that one of the things that made BB and Brady such a good combination is that Brady not only accepted being coached hard but actively embraced it because it meshed with his competitive nature. We have all read the interviews of players that retired and or left many times that mention how BB chewed out Brady in front of everyone to set the tone of responsibility and accountability.

Just to clarify, I am not implying that you are misrepresenting what Curran said. I am just fascinated by how the narrative about Brady thriving under hard coaching actually has changed apparently.

He was on WEEI Friday afternoon. They should have it on their website

 

[Jackson 2]

Curran has lost a little credibility, tho I still put above almost everyone else- based on his excellent past- I've followed him since he started- but he is NO LONGER in the class of Reiss- who is the one guy you can count on. Curran has been indulging in a little too much speculation lately.
From what I've seen and heard, Reiss is much more plugged in to and trusted by everyone at Patriot Place than Curran these days. Tom needs to get back to what made him really good in the first place and leave this gossip ******** to all the airheads on radio.

To me, the difference in Curran recently is due to his own relationship with Guerrero. He is, and has been for some time, a patient/client of Guerrero's.

 

[Kontradiction]

 

[Steve102]

Kraft's comments make me feel a whole lot better. I'm ready to turn the page.

 

[JMC00]

Alright, time to edit the thread title and lock it up

 

[Brewskies]

Kraft would have played Butler

 

[jimnance]

What exactly did Curran speculate on ? Reiss has been a worse offender than Curran this year just based on that ridiculously ambiguous Butler piece he wrote before the season.

Curious what exactly your issue is, especially because Curran is one of the few who actually has refrained on speculating on the entire Gronk situation and only provided facts.

Wasn't the main topic of this thread stemming from Curran(once again) gossiping on the radio about this "horrible tension" between BB,TB and Brady-wickershan kind of stuff.
It's all ********. BB and TB talk and have always talked all the time. Their relationship is strong, just as BB and RK's is strong. This is not the first time Curran has done this lately. There were a couple other questionable things he's said within the past year that were uncharacteristic of him.
Curran has engaged in that mediot speculation more than once. He never used to.
Reiss,oth, does not engage in that bs.hes now head and shoulders better than Curran imo. And Curran used to be my favorite Pats beat writer. Hes still mostly better than almost everyone else but he's lost some credibility to me.
Im not familiar with the Reiss piece you're talking about. Would like to see it because I read everything he writes and don't recall seeing that.

 

[luuked]

Im not familiar with the Reiss piece you're talking about. Would like to see it because I read everything he writes and don't recall seeing that.

Here is the original Reiss article:

Making sense of how Malcolm Butler and Patriots are on verge of a split

Here is his apology:

Piece on Malcolm Butler was incomplete

And the related thread on the board:

Mike Reiss: Mea Culpa on the Butler article.

where you yourself wrote:

Go to the Twitter feed. At least as many people will see that as ESPN. He manned up and said "I did a poor job", responded individually to hundreds of people who took him to task. What more can he do? He doesn't control the ESPN content.

I am surprised you can forget such a weird article especially coming from Reiss.

Wasn't the main topic of this thread stemming from Curran(once again) gossiping on the radio about this "horrible tension" between BB,TB and Brady-wickershan kind of stuff.
It's all ********. BB and TB talk and have always talked all the time. Their relationship is strong, just as BB and RK's is strong. This is not the first time Curran has done this lately. There were a couple other questionable things he's said within the past year that were uncharacteristic of him.
Curran has engaged in that mediot speculation more than once. He never used to.
Reiss,oth, does not engage in that bs.hes now head and shoulders better than Curran imo. And Curran used to be my favorite Pats beat writer. Hes still mostly better than almost everyone else but he's lost some credibility to me.

It is clearly not all ******** otherwise RK would not have publicly announced his meeting of the minds. Similarly, the tension that grew about the entire Guerrero situation was independently also reported by Mark Daniels from the Providence Journal. He wrote a piece on Gronks new training regimen and the Pats tried to kill that piece multiple times because of the Guerrero angle. But Gronk didnt give a **** what the Pats PR told him to do and talked to Daniels nevertheless.

Also as you probably know he is pretty close to Brady and Guerrero so if anything he might have reported a version that was slightly biased towards them as that is the POV he had access to. I doubt that BB gave any longer insight into it all. What is interesting is that we had him now twice talking about how Brady reportedly changed from 2016 to 2017. We have the one interview on WEEI that @Boomer B mentioned in another thread and he also alluded a bit to it in the most recent QuickSlants podcast with Perry. We have him on the record that while Brady started to become a more public persona with this social media interaction, Tom vs. Time show and marketing TB12 he supposedly also transformed from a player who was actively thriving under hard coaching (and setting an example for the rest of the team) to someone who at times didnt feel appreciated because of it.

Finally, please dont throw the Wickersham piece and the Curran piece into the same bin because those two were worlds apart. One was sensationalizing the other was merely describing the uncertainty that was prevalent in Foxboro in a season of change. Everyone knew the coaches were moving on, Brady started his TB12 thingy which led to tension when BB had to ban Guerrero for interfering with the training staff, the heir apparent was suddenly gone in the middle of the season leaving the team with a 40y old QB, they lost a lot of leadership and positivity with Ninkovich, Long, Blount and Ryan moving on.

 

[jimnance]

Here is the original Reiss article:

Making sense of how Malcolm Butler and Patriots are on verge of a split

Here is his apology:

Piece on Malcolm Butler was incomplete

And the related thread on the board:

Mike Reiss: Mea Culpa on the Butler article.

where you yourself wrote:



I am surprised you can forget such a weird article especially coming from Reiss.




It is clearly not all ******** otherwise RK would not have publicly announced his meeting of the minds. Similarly, the tension that grew about the entire Guerrero situation was independently also reported by Mark Daniels from the Providence Journal. He wrote a piece on Gronks new training regimen and the Pats tried to kill that piece multiple times because of the Guerrero angle. But Gronk didnt give a **** what the Pats PR told him to do and talked to Daniels nevertheless.

Also as you probably know he is pretty close to Brady and Guerrero so if anything he might have reported a version that was slightly biased towards them as that is the POV he had access to. I doubt that BB gave any longer insight into it all. What is interesting is that we had him now twice talking about how Brady reportedly changed from 2016 to 2017. We have the one interview on WEEI that @Boomer B mentioned in another thread and he also alluded a bit to it in the most recent QuickSlants podcast with Perry. We have him on the record that while Brady started to become a more public persona with this social media interaction, Tom vs. Time show and marketing TB12 he supposedly also transformed from a player who was actively thriving under hard coaching (and setting an example for the rest of the team) to someone who at times didnt feel appreciated because of it.

Finally, please dont throw the Wickersham piece and the Curran piece into the same bin because those two were worlds apart. One was sensationalizing the other was merely describing the uncertainty that was prevalent in Foxboro in a season of change. Everyone knew the coaches were moving on, Brady started his TB12 thingy which led to tension when BB had to ban Guerrero for interfering with the training staff, the heir apparent was suddenly gone in the middle of the season leaving the team with a 40y old QB, they lost a lot of leadership and positivity with Ninkovich, Long, Blount and Ryan moving on.

Yep,now I remember the article. Didn't think it was a big deal, tho I agreed with reiss himself that bringing up the marital status was not helpful-seemed to unfairly insinuate that BB deemed Butler as more unreliable since he was single. Reiss did apologize very quickly and I agree was not among his best.
But c'mon man, that is ONE and only ONE instance I can recall in approx. 20 years as being the top Patriots beat writer. Curran had had 3 or 4 similar gaffes in last few years. Overall, I still like them both, but reiss has more credibility,imo.

 

[RayClay]

There is tension. They still win. They are human beings in a high pressure situation. A reporter can be right and still not mean that much. Beatles lasted 7 years from their first record. And they had Yoko.

There will be strife for the rest of BB, TB and RK's professional relationship, it's only natural.

 

[jimnance]

There is tension. They still win. They are human beings in a high pressure situation. A reporter can be right and still not mean that much. Beatles lasted 7 years from their first record. And they had Yoko.

There will be strife for the rest of BB, TB and RK's professional relationship, it's only natural.

I think it's ridiculously overblown. A non-issue to those 3. As Kraft has said, TB and BB are ALWAYS meeting with each other. They have a great working relationship.
People are trying to create an issue that doesn't really exist because the Pats lost the SB.