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Was that a reference to Home Alone?I like most of your post except your annotation. a) 2) And d) ???
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Was that a reference to Home Alone?I like most of your post except your annotation. a) 2) And d) ???
They were fringe players who sucked. Shelton is a tier one nose tackle. This is my favorite news of the offseason. Now I don't care that Vea is out of range. So happy right now!
Sure, great. I acknowledged all your points in my original reply. His age is a little relevant in that he's a scheme fit who has been playing in one that doesn't fit him, so we don't really know that he's not a good player. I'm fine playing wait and see, as I said in the post you called irrelevant because you didn't properly read it.
None mentioned by either of you here were 24 when acquired. They aren't really relevant. Shelton fits the system as well. Whether he produces is a separate issue. I think he will, we'll see.
Johnny. Manziel.The Browns have been invisible for 10 years. Hard to evaluate their players
when they are stuck in a dumpster fire like they were.
This is absolutely a freakin steal. I wanted the Pats to use one of their first two picks on a NT and they get a former high first rounder from the 2015 draft. Now the Pats still have their first two picks and a stud NT with NFL experience.
My God this is huge. Literally and figuratively. haha
I like most of your post except your annotation. a) 2) And d) ???
Wow. Good call man.Was that a reference to Home Alone?
shoved out of position or knocked on his ass
Ha, just utilizing Buzz's numbering system:
I disagree. The front is set now. Focus on the LB's. The front has two rotational big bodies in VV and Shelton + Brown, Guy and Butler as DL's. That's solid as hell.
Hightower, T. Flowers as LB/DE's.. + Rivers??
That's looking pretty damn good to me.
And Springs, Galloway, Johnson, Haynesworth, Holt and many others didn't work out so, other than "BUT PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!", what's your point?
All those guys were senior citizens who cost nothing... the point again?
Shelton was the premier defensive tackle in the 2015 draft, where do you get the impression he played poorly?
AllHe played on a poor team, the greatest player in the NFL can't lift his team out of the cellar. I wonder how many of his detractors here not only watched Browns games (none) but when they did watched the play of the nose tackle? The kid is going to be productive for us.
However, you would have denied the pleasure of Bill Belichick selecting Jordan Richards in the second round.
I got whatever impressions I have of Shelton by watching him, analyzing what I saw, and listening to people who's opinions I think highly enough of to take into consideration when it comes to verifying what I think I've seen.
Unless your position is that no player can play well while on a bad team, you've got no real point here. You seem to be arguing against an entire army of straw men.
You started this whole conversation by saying "players who play poorly for other teams rarely play well for a new team" (I'm paraphrasing).
Again Randy Moss on the Raiders stunk... right? He had 500 yards receiving the year before he came to New England and had 1500 yards and 23 TD's.
Mike Vrabel was a special teams player for the Steelers before he came to NE and Bill made him a starter. Even Pro Football Focus rated Shelton "above average." About the only redeeming quality of the Brown's team last year was their ability to stop the run.
Most players who suck on one team also suck on the next.
Most players who are average on one team are also average on the next.
The volatility of successful team change is usually with high end players. Shelton has not been a high end player, to date.
I get it. Some people like the move and some are more hesitant. That's to be expected with a player who's been a disappointment, but not a bust:
He doesn't need to be a monster. He just needs to be stout against the run. If he can do that, it's a win for the Patriots.
You seem to have almost completely ignored what I actually wrote, beyond needlessly getting your dander up and blindly charging into a non-existent fray.
And, if you're going to continue to try pointing to Randy Moss as a comparison to Shelton, and continue quoting PFF as if it has actual credibility, this is going to be comedy gold. Here's what I actually wrote:
Notice that
In fact, my evaluation of Shelton came a bit later:
- I did not say Shelton sucks.
- Randy Moss would, without question, be a player who'd demonstrated himself to be a high end player during his career. He also had a 1000 yard season in his first year on the Raiders, before clearly checking out in his second.
I also opined on the relatively low bar I think is necessary to clear in order for the deal to be a good one:
Now, you can keep jousting against windmills and straw men, or you can just drop this and move on.