Sherman Signs with 49ER'S (Updated)

[dafoe2016]

I'll admit it, Lynch had me fooled. I actually thought he might be competent. But this move is idiotic. Three years and 40 million for a 30 year old coming of a potentiall career ending inhury? A system CB who may never be himself again. I have a really hard time believing that there were similar offers (or anything close to it) from other teams.

 

[maust]

Well, maybe not "family to feed" at the Antonio Cromartie level.

Well, who does? Outside of maybe Phillip Rivers, who actually knows his kids name and is married to their mother.

 

[Simpelton]

I would put nothing past Bill. Control is more important than winning to him.

"Control," by which I assume you mean the coach's control over the squad, by which I assume you ACTUALLY mean such a foreign concept as discipline and enforcing personal responsibility, is how all the winning happened in the first place,

If the coach loses control of the dressing room, he's nearly always exactly one additional mistake from losing everything else. There is nothing more sacred to a coach who intends to stick around awhile, then being in complete control of his team. We've seen what happens when a coach loses that control in places like Pittsburgh and Cincinatti. Underperformace tends to be one of the gentler consequences.

That aside, I can't help but love these suggestion that we lost because Bill Belichick decided to lose. Last I checked a very good opposing team had a lot to do with the outcome of that game. If Bill was faced with the decision to lose a Superbowl or lose everything he's built this franchise into over a 17 year career, that's a heck of a choice to have to make, but the team STILL had every chance to beat an excellent team with just one or two more successful executions of the game plan on either side of the ball.

That, and all the Monday morning quarterbacking aside there's NO guarantee that making the other decision would have resulted with a win. And either way, it would have created huge problems going forward if Bill had bent his own golden rule for Butler.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

"Control," by which I assume you mean the coach's control over the squad, by which I assume you ACTUALLY mean such a foreign concept as discipline and enforcing personal responsibility, is how all the winning happened in the first place,

If the coach loses control of the dressing room, he's nearly always exactly one additional mistake from losing everything else. There is nothing more sacred to a coach who intends to stick around awhile, then being in complete control of his team. We've seen what happens when a coach loses that control in places like Pittsburgh and Cincinatti. Underperformace tends to be one of the gentler consequences.

That aside, I can't help but love these suggestion that we lost because Bill Belichick decided to lose. Last I checked a very good opposing team had a lot to do with the outcome of that game. If Bill was faced with the decision to lose a Superbowl or lose everything he's built this franchise into over a 17 year career, that's a heck of a choice to have to make, but the team STILL had every chance to beat an excellent team with just one or two more successful executions of the game plan on either side of the ball.

That, and all the Monday morning quarterbacking aside there's NO guarantee that making the other decision would have resulted with a win. And either way, it would have created huge problems going forward if Bill had bent his own golden rule for Butler.

It was a crappy move period. Either way we saw what our secondary looked like without butler as the second corner. Interesting to see if they will keep Rowe as the second corner on this team.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

"Control," by which I assume you mean the coach's control over the squad, by which I assume you ACTUALLY mean such a foreign concept as discipline and enforcing personal responsibility, is how all the winning happened in the first place,

If the coach loses control of the dressing room, he's nearly always exactly one additional mistake from losing everything else. There is nothing more sacred to a coach who intends to stick around awhile, then being in complete control of his team. We've seen what happens when a coach loses that control in places like Pittsburgh and Cincinatti. Underperformace tends to be one of the gentler consequences.

That aside, I can't help but love these suggestion that we lost because Bill Belichick decided to lose. Last I checked a very good opposing team had a lot to do with the outcome of that game. If Bill was faced with the decision to lose a Superbowl or lose everything he's built this franchise into over a 17 year career, that's a heck of a choice to have to make, but the team STILL had every chance to beat an excellent team with just one or two more successful executions of the game plan on either side of the ball.

That, and all the Monday morning quarterbacking aside there's NO guarantee that making the other decision would have resulted with a win. And either way, it would have created huge problems going forward if Bill had bent his own golden rule for Butler.

It was a crappy move period. Either way we saw what our secondary looked like without butler as the second corner. Interesting to see if they will keep Rowe as the second corner on this team.

 

[50-yard-line]

Logan Ryan, you know the cornerback who actually won a Super Bowl with the New England Patriots, says hello.

Malcolm Butler does, too.

And J Jones was pretty damned good last year.

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

I live in the Bay Area and can attest that Niners fans didn't see this one coming. They hate the guy.

 

[rochrist]

3 years for 39 million is a horrible deal.

Why? They have cash to burn.

 

[HailHydra]

Why? They have cash to burn.

"When you have cash, you spend it wisely. Otherwise, you will eventually have no cash to spend"

 

[supafly]

My buddy said he just saw Hank Poteat at Logan.

As long as it wasn’t Duane Starks, I’m good.

Starks deserves his own category, and I think he even cost us a third round pick.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I hope we shore up the d line and get LBs if we leave our corners as they're right now.

I'm with you PN1F.
Fortunately the townspeople with their torches and pitchforks decided, mid season, to move on from Gilmore , and he looks like a solid legit #1 CB. I think we can find a 'close enough to Logan Ryan' to go with Gilmore and a pretty damn good safety group. IMHO improve the front 7 and this D will be plenty good enough to compliment the O to ultimately put the Patriots right back in the thick of it come January.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Why? They have cash to burn.

That would be fine by itself, but players and agents have memories. It's harder to sign a player to a team friendly deal after he and his agent have watched you sign players to stupid money. Agents and players don't really care about when you have a ton of cap space and when you don't.

 

[PWRxWLF]

This is a quick recap of a conversation I just had with my close buddy that is a diehard Niners fan via text.
Him-“Wow. Didn’t see that coming. I knew we had the money but....yeah.”
Me-“Good move for your boys. A lot of money, but you got it, so why not? Wonder how much of it is funny money.”
Him-“I refuse to cheer for him.”
Me-“Why?”
Him-“I hate that mouthy mother****er.”
Me- /Gasp “but now he’s your mother****er!”
Him- “I don’t care. I refuse.”
Me-“You ungrateful son of a *****!!!”

Just thought I would share. Many of us are upset over losing what we thought could’ve been, and this dude is over there pissed that he’s on his team now.

 

[Uptown]

Welp.

What about a trade for a young CB such as the following?

-CB Ronald Darby (Eagles)
-CB Eli Apple (Giants)
-CB Trae Waynes (Vikings)
-CB Vernon Hargreaves (Bucs)

 

[blackglass3]

Contract looks like the Niners have an out after one season. If he makes the Pro Bowl (half the league makes the Pro Bowl these days) his 19+20 salary is guaranteed.

We could be having this "Sherman to NE" conversation again in a year.

 

[Froob]

Contract looks like the Niners have an out after one season. If he makes the Pro Bowl (half the league makes the Pro Bowl these days) his 19+20 salary is guaranteed.

We could be having this "Sherman to NE" conversation again in a year.

He could make it on reputation alone.

 

[Marqui]

Contract looks like the Niners have an out after one season. If he makes the Pro Bowl (half the league makes the Pro Bowl these days) his 19+20 salary is guaranteed.

We could be having this "Sherman to NE" conversation again in a year.

Horrible deal! lol

 

[VJCPatriot]

49ers were aggressive in courting Sherman from the outset and they got their guy. It helps that they had a ton of cap space. San Francisco had an obscene 67m in cap room before signing Sherman as a free agent.

I probably would not have risked 13m in cap room to sign Sherman coming straight off that injury. But 49ers clearly are in win now mode and if this pays off they will have gotten a top corner for 3 years for just cash.

 

[rochrist]

That would be fine by itself, but players and agents have memories. It's harder to sign a player to a team friendly deal after he and his agent have watched you sign players to stupid money. Agents and players don't really care about when you have a ton of cap space and when you don't.

If Sherman is even 80% of what he was last year (he was fifth best corner in the league), then it's a fine deal for them. If he's doesn't bounce back by next year, they can afford to move on. It's isn't stupid money, it's a risk, but a calculated one. I think the Niners players are going to be more interested that the team is invested in winning than anything else.

 

[rochrist]

"When you have cash, you spend it wisely. Otherwise, you will eventually have no cash to spend"

He was the fifth best corner in the league last year. I expect they think it was worth a gamble.