Bills offer Eagles a second for Nick Foles.

[WaterfallJumper]

Bills have two firsts and two seconds. Why not offer a 1st and 3rd and just be done with it? Foles is an enormous upgrade to Taylor. Overvaluing draft picks won't get them anywhere.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

If JG had played all 4 games in 2016 all of this would have been an entirely different conversation. But he could not make it through 2.

Again, the fact that he got injured by a D that knocked about half a dozen QBs out of games over the course of the season is simply a data point, not evidence of a trend.

 

[Steve102]

Bills have two firsts and two seconds. Why not offer a 1st and 3rd and just be done with it? Foles is an enormous upgrade to Taylor. Overvaluing draft picks won't get them anywhere.

I'd do that deal if I am GM, both the Bills and Iggles side.

 

[TBR]

The other thing was we had no real leverage when it came to trading Jimmy, whereas the eagles do.

Waiting until mid-season/trade deadline to get rid of a QB definitely lost them leverage.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

If foles goes on to have 10 great seasons than the super bowl loss will hurt a little less but the guy's a backup QB. Our defense made him look like a pro bowler. It was pathetic.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

Not sure why people think Foles can't play. He has the third-best passer rating for a season in NFL history.


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Wanna make a wager that the guy will go back to being a backup QB? We lost to a backup QB in the super bowl.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

If foles goes on to have 10 great seasons than the super bowl loss will hurt a little less but the guy's a backup QB. Our defense made him look like a pro bowler. It was pathetic.

You know he was already a pro bowler, right? He's a good quarterback who languished in a bad scheme for a while, but he's had really good seasons, and his playoff run was exceptional. Look what he did to Minnesota's stout defense, for example.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

@pctronics0072 Okay, if you disagree, then what would you do to make the Bills competitive? They're not going anywhere without a quarterback. They can package their two 1st rounders and move up for one of the top draft picks (and hope he doesn't bust), or try to somehow clear enough cap space to be competitive in the Cousins sweepstakes, or just keep Taylor, etc. Or, perhaps you can offer an alternative?

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

You know he was already a pro bowler, right? He's a good quarterback who languished in a bad scheme for a while, but he's had really good seasons, and his playoff run was exceptional. Look what he did to Minnesota's stout defense, for example.

So you think he will go on to have a solid career. We will see. I still think he's backup at best. He's more like a journeyman.

 

[rexxar]

Read the title as "Bill offers Eagles a second for Nick Foles."

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

He was a league MVP candidate in 2013 with only 3 INTs.

In the right system, he's not a back up, but his play will probably seen as mediocre as the RPo gimmick offense he ends up using, gets exposed once more of it ends up on film.

Saying he was Vince Ferragamo or something, is completely disingenuous.

The guy's a journeyman. It won't matter either way. He can tell his kids I went head to head with the GOAT QB and came out on top. That one moment will never be taken from him even if he goes on to crap the bed.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

Read the title as "Bill offers Eagles a second for Nick Foles."

I almost typed that at first

 

[luuked]

Again, the fact that he got injured by a D that knocked about half a dozen QBs out of games over the course of the season is simply a data point, not evidence of a trend.

The Pats needed him to get through 4 games and he couldnt get through 2. This is fact. He repeatedly got himself into dangerous situations in 6 quarters of play and that one time he could not get out of it.

Do with that what you want but as we all know availability is at least as important as ability for the coaching staff here.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

The Pats needed him to get through 4 games and he couldnt get through 2. This is fact. He repeatedly got himself into dangerous situations in 6 quarters of play and that one time he could not get out of it.

Do with that what you want but as we all know availability is at least as important as ability for the coaching staff here.

Honestly so does Carson Wentz but there's not a head coach ours included who wouldn't oust their QB for that skill set to always make a play whether it's with his head arm or legs.

 

[Steve102]

The guy's a journeyman. It won't matter either way. He can tell his kids I went head to head with the GOAT QB and came out on top. That one moment will never be taken from him even if he goes on to crap the bed.

Nope. He's a second or third tier NFL QB. He's never gonna be "elite". Never gonna be Rodgers, Brady, Big Ben, or Brees. He's probably not Matt Ryan, Rivers, Newton, Matthew Stafford or a healthy Andrew Luck. He's better than a whole bunch of guys holding down starting jobs currently. Better than Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton or Blake Bortles. If Jax had Foles, they would've beaten the Pats. Bills beat Jax if he plays for Buffalo. He's not great, but he's not a JAG, either. He's a very serviceable QB that would 100% make the Bills better.

 

[pctronics0072]

@pctronics0072 Okay, if you disagree, then what would you do to make the Bills competitive? They're not going anywhere without a quarterback. They can package their two 1st rounders and move up for one of the top draft picks (and hope he doesn't bust), or try to somehow clear enough cap space to be competitive in the Cousins sweepstakes, or just keep Taylor, etc. Or, perhaps you can offer an alternative?

Foles makes the Bills better. I do not disagree with that. While Tyrod has shown as times the makings of a decent QB (not great), the ceiling of the Bills with him as QB, I think, is barely making playoffs.

My disagreement with your post is regarding "Why not offer a 1st and 3rd and just be done with it? Foles is an enormous upgrade to Taylor. Overvaluing draft picks won't get them anywhere."
-I do not think any team can ever be competitive by undervaluing draft picks. Giving up a 1st and a 3rd for Nick Foles and his cap hit is a vast over-payment for essentially a couple year rental IMO.
-If you draft a QB in the first you have the QB under contract for 5 years (assuming 1st round pick) for about 7-8 m year (based on Forbes reporting on Mitch Trubisky's contract in 2017).
-Also, if a team trusts their coaching staff and scouting team, they also have the opportunity to mold the QB to fit their system better.
-Finally, I do NOT think that the Bills are only a QB away from being competitive (defined as playoff contender and having a good (read: more than just plain luck) chance of winning a game or two in the playoffs). Furthermore, I think they can use the picks that they have to gather the extra pieces.


Overall, if Bills can get Foles for a 2nd rounder, I think that is a good trade for them and they should make that trade. That is good value. I disagree that a 1st an a 3rd rounder for the services of Foles is a good trade.

Desperation virtually never pays off.

 

[Ivan]

The Pats needed him to get through 4 games and he couldnt get through 2. This is fact. He repeatedly got himself into dangerous situations in 6 quarters of play and that one time he could not get out of it.

Do with that what you want but as we all know availability is at least as important as ability for the coaching staff here.

Agree. Garrapolo getting hurt doesn’t mean he will be injured throughout his career, but he still has to show that he can hold up over a full season plus, and he will have to overcome a number of other hurdles as well to show he’s worth their investment. He’s a really good prospect, but he’s still a prospect and not a lock top 5 QB every season. Only time will tell if he becomes one.

 

[Snooky97]

Waiting until mid-season/trade deadline to get rid of a QB definitely lost them leverage.

Thank you for confirming my statement

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

Nope. He's a second or third tier NFL QB. He's never gonna be "elite". Never gonna be Rodgers, Brady, Big Ben, or Brees. He's probably not Matt Ryan, Rivers, Newton, Matthew Stafford or a healthy Andrew Luck. He's better than a whole bunch of guys holding down starting jobs currently. Better than Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton or Blake Bortles. If Jax had Foles, they would've beaten the Pats. Bills beat Jax if he plays for Buffalo. He's not great, but he's not a JAG, either. He's a very serviceable QB that would 100% make the Bills better.

Brad Johnson won a super bowl. He doesn't have his numbers but that might be his ceiling. Better than flaco? Flaco has a super bowl as well. He has had some good performances in the playoffs as well. He has regressed but that's a stretch.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

I'll make that wager. if you think a team is going to pay him 30 mil and give up 2 drafts picks, for him to be a back up, you might want to apply to be a GM for one of these clueless franchises the NFL has going right now.

He won't be a backup. He will start but let's see how he looks now that he has won a super bowl. He will go in the same direction as guys that have won a super bowl as one hit wonders.