Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[DarrylS]

I'm not too worried about a lost Super Bowl. But the Patriots this last season are really in danger of losing their classiness. They were always since '01 the classiest, the smartest, team on the field. Not always the fastest or the biggest or strongest but always the classiest.

This last season versus the Eagles I'm not so sure. The Butler thing, the Blount thing, the documentary of Brady in his mansion talking about how he's a great leader, Belichick going to NBA games all week.

The Patriots can bounce back from a loss but not so sure about bouncing back from a loss of class.

How do you operationalize "classiness or class"?? await with baited breath for definition of this metric..

BB went to A Timberwolves basketball game, not NBA games all week. What exactly does that prove??

Have you been listening to Felger?? Bertram?? I those are your sources, suggest you seek some balance before you present your argument..

 

[luuked]

There were 13 series where the Eagles got a first down without needing to get to 3rd down first. The failure wasn't just on 3rd down.

That is not my point.

My point was that we got them into third and favorable often enough to produce stops. They were not sitting at third & 1/2 all day. 8 out of 18 3rd down were longer than 3rd & 6 (10 if you want to set the line at 3rd & 4). Only 2 of those were stopped. That was the game. Nobody is saying they played well on first and second down but at least they put themselves often enough in a situation to stop a drive and yet fell spectacularly short of it almost every time.

 

[K. Dog]

How do you operationalize "classiness or class"?? await with baited breath for definition of this metric..

Not sure what you mean by "operationalize" here. BTW it’s "bated", pet peeve.

All this dubious “matchups” talk while Butler is crying in the anthem isn’t a classy look. And it’s off putting to me that so many posters don’t get it, or even see there's anything to get.

BB went to A Timberwolves basketball game, not NBA games all week.

Looks like I was factually incorrect there. I’ll edit my post.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Two different situations yes. Completely different situations, no.

So you believe Malcolm caused emotional discourse throughout the ENTIRE team which was the ONLY reason they lost?

 

[RobertWeathers]

In the first Bills game, Milloy had recent intel about what was going on in practice etc., which if you think of it, should be covered by attorney-client privilege and never divulged.

Where was the Commish then?

Finally. Someone called out the REAL reason.

 

[supafly]

Not to mention that the defense has allowed a TD in the last 2:30 minutes in:

SB 36
SB 37
SB 39
SB 42
SB 46
SB 52

It would have allowed another in SB 49 except for Seattle's decision to throw/Butler's reaction.

It allowed Atlanta into field goal range where literally kneeling three times would have given them an 11 point lead.

On top of that AFCCG 2006.

It's really unbelievable that we've won 5 of those with defenses that have always collapsed at the end.

It’s insanely coincidental that all 8 games were within one score and that the defense allowed a TD in the final minutes of 6/8 + the terrible comeback loss in the ‘06 AFCCG. Thank God for the Malcolm Butler pick or it would’ve been 7/8. It’s just weird that he suddenly becomes so laid back and never can come up with a dominating gameplan in 8 attempts with Tom Brady at the helm. Had Brady not masked some of these weaknesses, our record would not be 5-3 in these close, one possession games.

Of course the competition is improved as the postseason continues, but that’s one hell of a pattern for the defensive genius who is clearly the greatest coach of all time.

 

[ATippett56]

Has anybody calculated the yards per Richards number? I bet it it is high, real high.

Refer to Coverage Stats for details.

Advanced Stats Report: Tom Brady’s mastery marred by defensive implosion

"In just 11 snaps in coverage, Richards allowed a team-high 81 yards into his coverage, as the Patriots opted to have him cover Eagles tight end, Zach Ertz, while Patrick Chung mostly saw Eagles wide receiver Nelson Agholor."

 

[maineman209]

The plan described in this piece is pretty much what I figured it must have been just from watching the game and observing the personnel packages. It failed not because it was a bad plan, but because the players - all of them - simply failed to execute consistently enough from the get-go.

It actually seemed pretty obvious to me.

And I really don't believe that putting Butler on the field would have magically improved anything whatsoever.

The offensive plan was also a departure from the regular season norm (not that very many fans noticed), though perhaps not as "radical". It was very similar to the offensive plan in the AFCCG. The ground game was better in the SB than in the AFCCG simply because the players on the field executed more consistently.

 

[luuked]

And I really don't believe that putting Butler on the field would have magically improved anything whatsoever.

I agree with most what you said. The Butler part we will never know because it didnt happen. People can speculate over this all they want I dont see the point. Whatever happened, happened.. on to 2018

 

[RobertWeathers]

It’s insanely coincidental that all 8 games were within one score and that the defense allowed a TD in the final minutes of 6/8 + the terrible comeback loss in the ‘06 AFCCG. Thank God for the Malcolm Butler pick or it would’ve been 7/8. It’s just weird that he suddenly becomes so laid back and never can come up with a dominating gameplan in 8 attempts with Tom Brady at the helm. Had Brady not masked some of these weaknesses, our record would not be 5-3 in these close, one possession games.

Of course the competition is improved as the postseason continues, but that’s one hell of a pattern for the defensive genius who is clearly the greatest coach of all time.

In 8 SB games the Pats D allowed an average of 20.9 points.

In 8 SB the offense has scored an ave 20.1 points.

That is maddening.

That is why they are 5-3

Another stop or another TD the record changes.

 

[aluminum seats]

So you believe Malcolm caused emotional discourse throughout the ENTIRE team which was the ONLY reason they lost?

You're not approaching this in any kind of serious, rational way. Emphasizing words like "entire" and "only" is an attempt to construct a lame strawman and is beneath you.

Of course there are multiple factors to any loss, but Milloy was a huge factor in that game and both the football--and indications strongly suggest emotional--aspects of Butler were huge factors in this game.

 

[luuked]

@Deus Irae is there any good point to Bedard pointing fingers at M. Flowers and his use in his new article for BSJ ? Don't have a subscription but am curious if this would necessitate another rewatch with focusing on Flowers.

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

Is that what people after the game against the Bills would have said if the FG went in instead ?

And if the strip sack hadn’t happened, Brady marches down field to score WIN #6, and game plan validated....

 

[juny]

Refer to Coverage Stats for details.

Advanced Stats Report: Tom Brady’s mastery marred by defensive implosion

"In just 11 snaps in coverage, Richards allowed a team-high 81 yards into his coverage, as the Patriots opted to have him cover Eagles tight end, Zach Ertz, while Patrick Chung mostly saw Eagles wide receiver Nelson Agholor."

ugh, chung on agholor should never ever happen. what a ****ty gameplan

 

[IllegalContact]

no they were not, chung took out ertz until the concussion

never heard his name
or torrey smith’s all game until that point

You must have watched a different game

 

[IllegalContact]

agoholor would have destroyed a poor playing butler who was sick all week and then belligerent.

gilmore is our best cb and you put him on their best wr.

very simple

rowe and harmon over the top to take all 4 routes overrated jeffery runs

We have already ascertained that you don’t know what you are talking about

 

[IllegalContact]

Patricia is a very good defensive mind. Belichick is the greatest coach in NFL history. Together they just won 2 of the previous 3 Super Bowls.

Do you think they got stupid overnight? Or do you think they were intentionally "crippling themselves"? If so, why?

I don’t know .... those are valid questions

 

[RobertWeathers]

You're not approaching this in any kind of serious, rational way. Emphasizing words like "entire" and "only" is an attempt to construct a lame strawman and is beneath you.

Of course there are multiple factors to any loss, but Milloy was a huge factor in that game and both the football--and indications strongly suggest emotional--aspects of Butler were huge factors in this game.

I used those words to create a black and white debate.

Claiming emotions caused a loss is speculation

 

[Soliel]

I wish they would have tried something else.

 

[IllegalContact]

Not buying Milloy was the sole reason.

I'll grant that it didn't help

I know that you really want to believe that BB doesn't screw up......but he screwed up......at least in regards to the goal of winning the SB......maybe he sees himself as a man of impeccable moral standards and he simply believed that making his point was a priority over winning the SB , but I doubt it