Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[Kargetina]

You truly are hopeless.

The argument from authority over and over and over and over again. You're a parody at this point.

If you box as well as you use your argumentative skills you would be knocked out be a feather.

 

[Joey007]

I’m scared to find out how many total posts some of you have invested into this thread.

 

[Ring 6]

You truly are hopeless.

The argument from authority over and over and over and over again. You're a parody at this point.

If you box as well as you use your argumentative skills you would be knocked out be a feather.

Says the guy who hasn’t made a point all thread.

I am not making any argument from authority. Do you even know what that means?

 

[Ivan]

They would be so much better if they let the fans vote for the starters and the plays they run.


The fans are wicked smart, Belichick/Hitler is an idiot.

Hopefully Belichick/Hitler will be gone soon so the fans won’t be so sad/mad. They watch the games and deserve so much more. Belichick/Hitler has been ripping them off.

Somebody should start a new thread about this. This one has gotten too long.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

I’m scared to find out how many total posts some of you have invested into this thread.

Well it's still hard to fathom the move. It was a clusterf*ck! I never thought BB would make such a move like this in the biggest game of the year.

 

[supafly]

Which is why it makes absolutely no sense that that was the game plan


You have no idea what the scheme was. No idea whatsoever. None.

You're doing nothing but constantly repeating what you saw on the field as the starting formation. Whether that was the game plan before Butler was benched, you have no knowledge of. Stop pretending like you were in the huddle during the creation of the game plan.

Either they changed the game plan or they went with the same game plan that allowed 42 points, the most in the B/B era...which was followed by 41 points, and 530+ yards, second most in the B/B era.

So either Belichick is a total buffoon or they modified the game plan when Butler was benched. Pick one.

Huh?

I never said anything about what the scheme was, and this is the very first time that I’ve ever mentioned anything about playing 4 safeties—in any capacity on any thread.

Obviously, you have the wrong person and are confused about who you’re responding to.

 

[patsfan13]

we never lost to the chargers in an afc title game

Sorry should have said AFL Championship 51-10 remember?

 

[Kargetina]

Huh?

I never said anything about what the scheme was, and this is the very first time that I’ve ever mentioned anything about playing 4 safeties—in any capacity on any thread.

Obviously, you have the wrong person and are confused about who you’re responding to.

No, no, it was a multi-quoted post i don't know why it didn't show up for you.

The only thing i replied to you was: ''Which is why it makes absolutely no sense that that was the game plan''. That was in reply to your statement that it was the same scheme as against the Chiefs which yielded 42 points.

The rest of it was for Johnson.

 

[patsfan13]

i think butler being a jackhole was a mistake

he just couldn’t quite make it and be a team
player

Speculating, OK but why blow any chance to win the SB, why punish the franchise and it's fans, why not try to put him in when the Defense was burning like someone doused by napalm?

Why not make an adjustment to at least try to create favorable matchups?
BB has in the past put players in a position to succeed.

How exactly is putting McCourty on Ertz, putting Chung on Nelson A, and putting Richards or Badamosi on anyone putting them in a position.''I have heard no explanations this you knows X and O from the BB Kool Aid kiddies.

Care to fill us in?

 

[supafly]

No, no, it was a multi-quoted post i don't know why it didn't show up for you.

The only thing i replied to you was: ''Which is why it makes absolutely no sense that that was the game plan''.

The rest of it was for Johnson.

Gotcha. Thanks for responding and clarifying.

 

[patsfan13]

We never lost to the chargers in an afccg.
Sure the defense played bad. Defenses play bad sometimes. So do offenses. It happens a lot less here than anywhere else.
.

1963 AFL championship game sonny. Sorry for the typo and your lack of knowledge of the Pats history due to your age. Some of us actually watched the Pats then.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

There are other things being said that make that seem reasonable.
Plus if there wasn’t a melt down they would have gotten him on the field even if to just play man for a few snaps.
Either you believe belichick suddenly made a decision unlike any other he has made in his career or you believe butler did something to force his hand. I don’t need to put more that one second of thought into that to be confident I know the answer.



But Bill Belichick decided it would. Are you saying you are better qualified?




Why?
If you think he is not going to be able to help you why would you put him in? You would be making a decision to make it worse.

Lol I see we’re going with the “am I more qualified than belichick.” Short answer No.

Since this is a board of different opinions, I’ll say this. Philly played great and deserves credit. Bill also deserves criticism. He sucked Sunday. He’s still the GOAT of Head coaches. Sunday he was outcoached. He didn’t handle the butler situation well at all and big nickel, dime looks, whatever you want to call it, the gameplan played right into what Philly wanted to do on offense.

 

[upstater1]

You are saying belichick sabotaged his own team?
You are saying he purposely tried to lose?

He sabotaged them by taking out Butler when he knew that would hurt the team, and if he didn't know it, then Belichick has recently lost his mind.

 

[upstater1]

Incentive to do what? Perform? Win? Play for BB?

There are most likely ~20 personnel moves BB has made that has royally pissed off the locker room and all of them as it pertains to winning had zero long term emotional impact on the club.

He doesn't care what players think of him or how he runs the team.

He never has. Ever.

Sabotaging the Super Bowl has a big impact. Cutting Lawyer Milloy is a silent fart compared to this.

 

[PittPatriot]

The difference is BB doesn't think he made a mistake. You do. We also have zero concrete evidence Malcolm's absence impacted the game (but we suspect it did).

The difference here is optics and perception are the reasons why BB is getting killed. Not on actual outcomes influenced by a specific act.

You have a good point, but we know the outcome and we also know the divisive act.
The optics are all we have because unlike other coaches, our coach will never explain what he perceived and how he approached the situation (when do we get to watch Do Your Job for the 2017-18 NEP?) so he will get killed by most of us on the Messageboard, talk radio, national media, etc.
As @PatsDeb and others have pointed out, BB is capable of running guys out of town if they don’t fall in line. We embrace his maniacal approach to detail but with that comes a stubbornness and ego. We don’t know what he was thinking and some (you, @AndyJohnson, etc) are given him the benefit of the doubt. The vast majority of us feel he should have made a change and that probably should have involved our most aggressive, tenacious CB.

(Aside: if we get a 10 minute explanation on the “genius” decisions of substituting Butler for Arrington or not calling a TO as the Seattle sideline is in confusion, we should get an explanation as to the thought process of sitting the player who played the most defensive snaps of anyone in 3 seasons in the most important game. Perhaps it’s still the emotion left over from this loss, but I feel from the coaching decisions by Seattle and Atlanta looked better than our inability to adjust on Sunday).

Lastly, for those who disagree with my post, please don’t respond with “well maybe you should go cheer for another team“ or “if you don’t like BB, who else do you want to hire?”

 

[aluminum seats]

They would be so much better if they let the fans vote for the starters and the plays they run.


The fans are wicked smart, Belichick/Hitler is an idiot.

Hopefully Belichick/Hitler will be gone soon so the fans won’t be so sad/mad. They watch the games and deserve so much more. Belichick/Hitler has been ripping them off.

Somebody should start a new thread about this. This one has gotten too long.

Stop with the hyperbolic posts all the time. It's like you're always competing to win some most positive fan award.

Whatever your opinion, it is indisputably true that benching Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl is worthy of a LOT of debate.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I have talked extensively about the (disaster) domino effect benching Butler has on the entire secondary.

OROH you have added nothing beyond B.B. is perfect benching Bulter couldn’t have possibly been a mistake.

Fanboy. You refuse to believe possibly Malcolm screwed up. It's all BBs fault. Gotcha.

 

[GorBelSer]

Speculating, OK but why blow any chance to win the SB, why punish the franchise and it's fans, why not try to put him in when the Defense was burning like someone doused by napalm?

Why not make an adjustment to at least try to create favorable matchups?
BB has in the past put players in a position to succeed.

How exactly is putting McCourty on Ertz, putting Chung on Nelson A, and putting Richards or Badamosi on anyone putting them in a position.''I have heard no explanations this you knows X and O from the BB Kool Aid kiddies.

Care to fill us in?

I wouldn`t hope too much, he is stuck in a loop. Apparently, Rowe is our outside guy, Chung is our slot sentinel, Mccourty did not look like a fish out of water trying to hang onto Ertz. Putting Bademosi outside would actually made some sense, he started 3 or 4 games when Gilmore and Rowe were absent and did ok (nothing spectacular, but he had to cross swords with Sanu or Keenan Allen). Of course, having Butler ahead of Bademosi would be much better but...

 

[RobertWeathers]

Sabotaging the Super Bowl has a big impact. Cutting Lawyer Milloy is a silent fart compared to this.

BB intentionally sabotaged the Super Bowl?

Are you seriously saying that?

 

[RobertWeathers]

You have a good point, but we know the outcome and we also know the divisive act.
The optics are all we have because unlike other coaches, our coach will never explain what he perceived and how he approached the situation (when do we get to watch Do Your Job for the 2017-18 NEP?) so he will get killed by most of us on the Messageboard, talk radio, national media, etc.
As @PatsDeb and others have pointed out, BB is capable of running guys out of town if they don’t fall in line. We embrace his maniacal approach to detail but with that comes a stubbornness and ego. We don’t know what he was thinking and some (you, @AndyJohnson, etc) are given him the benefit of the doubt. The vast majority of us feel he should have made a change and that probably should have involved our most aggressive, tenacious CB.

(Aside: if we get a 10 minute explanation on the “genius” decisions of substituting Butler for Arrington or not calling a TO as the Seattle sideline is in confusion, we should get an explanation as to the thought process of sitting the player who played the most defensive snaps of anyone in 3 seasons in the most important game. Perhaps it’s still the emotion left over from this loss, but I feel from the coaching decisions by Seattle and Atlanta looked better than our inability to adjust on Sunday).

Lastly, for those who disagree with my post, please don’t respond with “well maybe you should go cheer for another team“ or “if you don’t like BB, who else do you want to hire?”

Ok so kill BB based on optics and a divisive act? That's silly.

The fact that none of you are giving BB the benefit of the doubt is garbage.

Malcolm did something (s) to warrant his benching. Period.

When has BB ever woken up one day and arbitrarily decide to bench his 2nd best CB for no good reason?

I'm not going to dismiss 17 years of elite coaching and believe all the sudden he lost his mind.

Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves.