Bill Belichick

[Redman443]

Jimmy was supposed to be the next generation of NE quarterbacks but that plan was all but shot to hell. Now we have to find someone else and I’m not sure who will be on the board by the time we pick a qb.

 

[maust]

I can't take anyone that kicks off with Jamie Collins as their biggest point seriously. Neither Collins or Jones would still be here had they not been traded.

1. trading Jamie Collins.
New England won the SB without him, @ $12m he wouldn't be here now
2. Benching Malcom butler because of pride.
We don't know why Butler was benched. The only point made that might be valid
3. 4th and 2 vs Indy in 2009
The D was gassed, if the spot is right that call is brilliant
4. Trading Richard Seymour
Seymour went on to play 53 more games total, Solder is still playing 2 rings later
5. Trading Randy moss to the Vikings.
Moss was a distraction, playing poorly and wasn't coming back ($)
6. Trading jimmy G
Jimmy was leaving after the season, they kept their Brady insurance as long as they could and netted a back up. We don't know what the pick rec'd will end up doing.

 

[Redman443]

I can't take anyone that kicks off with Jamie Collins as their biggest point seriously. Neither Collins or Jones would still be here had they not been traded.

1. trading Jamie Collins.
New England won the SB without him, @ $12m he wouldn't be here now
2. Benching Malcom butler because of pride.
We don't know why Butler was benched. The only point made that might be valid
3. 4th and 2 vs Indy in 2009
The D was gassed, if the spot is right that call is brilliant
4. Trading Richard Seymour
Seymour went on to play 53 more games total, Solder is still playing 2 rings later
5. Trading Randy moss to the Vikings.
Moss was a distraction, playing poorly and wasn't coming back ($)
6. Trading jimmy G
Jimmy was leaving after the season, they kept their Brady insurance as long as they could and netted a back up. We don't know what the pick rec'd will end up doing.

Who’s going to be the QB for the future? We have to pick one this year, I’m not sure who they’re even looking at. In a perfect world, I’d want baker mayfield but Kraft has learned his lesson from Hernandez about drafting high risk players. Mayfield has an attitude

 

[Todd Bradley]

The Collins trade is completely irrelevant. They won the Super Bowl without him and should’ve won a second a year later. Literally made the defense better. No clue how anyone could have a bone to pick there.

4th & 2 is such a dumb gripe. It was a mid season game and a split second call that didn’t pan out due to a horrible spot. It is what it is.

Seymour and Moss really had no effect on the team going forward. Not sure why we still hang on to these two trades like they destroyed the team. Their absences did nothing negative.

Jimmy G trade had to happen. I certainly get the argument that they should’ve traded him during the draft and got more for him, but the trade had to be done one way or another. Be mad at the return, don’t be mad at moving on from him.

The Butler thing is egregious. May be the worst decision in the history of the NFL. Cost this team a Super Bowl, all due to hubris and ego. There will never be a worse decision than this, because I cannot see any coach ever being dumb enough to purposely bench an All Pro corner for no reason during a Super Bowl for the entire game, a game where your D looks and plays horrific. I’m all aboard passing a multitude of blame for this one.

 

[RobertWeathers]

bill will go down as one of the most if not the greatest coach and GM of all time but he has made a few bonehead decisions over the years. Thankfully the good mostly outweighs the bad. Except the butler decision because that probably cost us the game.

1.trading Jamie Collins
2. Benching Malcom butler because of pride.
3. 4th and 2 vs Indy in 2009
4. Trading Richard Seymour
5. Trading Randy moss to the Vikings.
6. Trading jimmy G

Ok great. Thank you for your insights.

 

[maust]

Who’s going to be the QB for the future? We have to pick one this year...

I don't know who the next QB of the Patriots will be but I know who the current one is and in the context of trading Jimmy G that's all that matters. Ultimately once Garoppolo took the field and the other 31 teams saw him perform, failing a Brady retirement, the die was cast. You can be sure the Pats have been scouting QB's right along.

 

[libra957]

Respectably i only agree #2 and #6. The rest didn't have a meaningful impact to matter.

 

[GaryfromTO]

bill will go down as one of the most if not the greatest coach and GM of all time but he has made a few bonehead decisions over the years. Thankfully the good mostly outweighs the bad. Except the butler decision because that probably cost us the game.

1.trading Jamie Collins
2. Benching Malcom butler because of pride.
3. 4th and 2 vs Indy in 2009
4. Trading Richard Seymour
5. Trading Randy moss to the Vikings.
6. Trading jimmy G

1.) they went on to win a Super Bowl
2.) we don't know the whole story with Butler. so who can comment with actual facts?
3.) It was gamble call, if he makes it (which they did but got a bad spot) he's a ballsy genius.
4.) Trading Richard Seymour. - No player is bigger than the team. It's the Patriot way and it has served us well
5.) see number 4.
6.) what choice did he have. Garoppolo was not prepared to sit behind Brady for the foreseeable future. What, did you expect him to trade his 5 time Super Bowl QB (who had just won the previous year) and who had an MVP season in 2018, and shows no signs of slowing down yet?

 

[Steve102]

I can't take anyone that kicks off with Jamie Collins as their biggest point seriously. Neither Collins or Jones would still be here had they not been traded.

1. trading Jamie Collins.
New England won the SB without him, @ $12m he wouldn't be here now
2. Benching Malcom butler because of pride.
We don't know why Butler was benched. The only point made that might be valid
3. 4th and 2 vs Indy in 2009
The D was gassed, if the spot is right that call is brilliant
4. Trading Richard Seymour
Seymour went on to play 53 more games total, Solder is still playing 2 rings later
5. Trading Randy moss to the Vikings.
Moss was a distraction, playing poorly and wasn't coming back ($)
6. Trading jimmy G
Jimmy was leaving after the season, they kept their Brady insurance as long as they could and netted a back up. We don't know what the pick rec'd will end up doing.

All of that. Good post.

 

[SVN]

bill will go down as one of the most if not the greatest coach and GM of all time but he has made a few bonehead decisions over the years. Thankfully the good mostly outweighs the bad. Except the butler decision because that probably cost us the game.

1.trading Jamie Collins
2. Benching Malcom butler because of pride.
3. 4th and 2 vs Indy in 2009
4. Trading Richard Seymour
5. Trading Randy moss to the Vikings.
6. Trading jimmy G

Classic "grasping at straws" . Only 2 is debatable. 4th and 2 is the same call pederson made in the superbowl. If you make it you are a genius.

 

[IllegalContact]

BB is an awesome football mind

one question: does it have to be mutually inclusive with being a ****?

 

[reflexblue]

bill will go down as one of the most if not the greatest coach and GM of all time but he has made a few bonehead decisions over the years. Thankfully the good mostly outweighs the bad. Except the butler decision because that probably cost us the game.

1.trading Jamie Collins
2. Benching Malcom butler because of pride.
3. 4th and 2 vs Indy in 2009
4. Trading Richard Seymour
5. Trading Randy moss to the Vikings.
6. Trading jimmy G

Practice squad material.

 

[Ivan]

Well, at least people will get their wish and the Belichick era will most likely end sooner than later. It’s great that they showed the gratitude to him he clearly earned.

Awesome

Awesome fans


Really smart football fans

The next coach will be so much better.

Great job by y’all

 

[PatsDeb]

bill will go down as one of the most if not the greatest coach and GM of all time but he has made a few bonehead decisions over the years. Thankfully the good mostly outweighs the bad. Except the butler decision because that probably cost us the game.

1.trading Jamie Collins
2. Benching Malcom butler because of pride.
3. 4th and 2 vs Indy in 2009
4. Trading Richard Seymour
5. Trading Randy moss to the Vikings.
6. Trading jimmy G

I don't have a problem with any of these except No. 2 in a big way and No. 3, which was my top worst BB move ever until this past Sunday. Some of the trades I was surprised by or upset with initially when they happened, but came to understand them after I calmed down and thought about it (or when more info came out). I don't think the Butler blunder(s) this past Sunday will ever be topped because they cost us a Super Bowl. Do I hate BB? Nope. Do I want him gone? Nope. I just wish he had put the team first and been his usual logical self this past weekend, instead of whatever he was.

 

[Lavictoire]

Trading Seymour without any type of acceptable replacement who could act as 75% of the player at DE was (in my opinion) a huge mistake, and we paid dearly for that for awhile, but we also received a first round draft pick for a player who was basically at the end of his career and wasn’t likely to be re-signed due to contract demands, so I don’t have as much issue with that as some do.

Collins was a freelancer who wasn’t going to be retained. That one was easy.

The 4th and 2 call wasn’t as bad as it looked due to our defense being so gassed, and Faulk may actually have picked it up with a more reasonable spot anyway, so it’s hard to nitpick that one for me.

Moss basically ran his mouth and forced his way out of town, plus Brady was locking in on him and throwing picks, anyway. Spreading the ball out more paid off to the tune of a 14-2 record that year, and we began to utilize the 2 TE sets. We also took MIN for a high round draft pick (3rd) and got three years of Moss + a better pick than we gave up (4th). I don’t know why that’s even on the list.

Trading Mankins saw early season challenges that resulted in a SB victory at the end of the year, so that’s another controversial move that seemed to pay off in the end.

The only one that pisses me off was allowing JG to walk, but it’s also a possibility that they may have signed him to a 3-4 year high priced deal (that never would’ve realistically happened) only to watch him continue to ride the bench for most of it, getting very little value, if any, in return. I can’t realky blame that on Belichick, but moreso bad timing.

The Jets playoff game with the Welker benching was a low point. Kraft afterward asked if we even had a game plan. Another waste was recently, I forgot the year, where we squandered the one seed playing stupidly in the last few games and had to go to Denver.

 

[supafly]

The Jets playoff game with the Welker benching was a low point. Kraft afterward asked if we even had a game plan. Another waste was recently, I forgot the year, where we squandered the one seed playing stupidly in the last few games and had to go to Denver.

You’re thinking of 2015, and I agree that attempting to run with Steven Jackson didn’t seem to pan out. At all. Unfortunately, there were lots of injuries to our receiving options, IIRC. Also, the OL wasn’t playing well.

I don’t think benching Welker for one lousy series was anything that suggests a bad move. I think Brady throwing that awful pick, Crumpler dropping the easy TD, the bad decision/execution by Chung on the fake punt attempt, and a porous pass defense were the culprits, there.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Jets playoff game with the Welker benching was a low point. Kraft afterward asked if we even had a game plan. Another waste was recently, I forgot the year, where we squandered the one seed playing stupidly in the last few games and had to go to Denver.

Belichick's made plenty of bad decisions and some really bad decisions. Everyone does that. It's part of the human condition. What sets BB apart from so many others in football is that he seems to make fewer of those truly bad decisions, and that he seems more able than most to overcome bad decisions.

 

[Lavictoire]

Belichick's made plenty of bad decisions and some really bad decisions. Everyone does that. It's part of the human condition. What sets BB apart from so many others in football is that he seems to make fewer of those truly bad decisions, and that he seems more able than most to overcome bad decisions.

That is very profound. I mean it. As to the last part, I've often thought BB unnecesarily digs himself a hole but is very good at getting out of it (Enter Brady).

 

[Tony2046]

 

[supafly]

Who’s going to be the QB for the future? We have to pick one this year, I’m not sure who they’re even looking at. In a perfect world, I’d want baker mayfield but Kraft has learned his lesson from Hernandez about drafting high risk players. Mayfield has an attitude

I highly doubt that Mayfield will be anywhere close to available by the time we pick at #31, so that concern is almost certainly irrelevant.

We’ll have to look at the second tier of QBs. Maybe guys like Rudolph, Falk, etc. There has also been some talk of Lauletta. I believe they’ll need to use a pick this year due to a 2 year grooming period.