Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[RobertWeathers]

A team gains 613 yards, the most ever in a Superbowl, 2nd most ever in the playoffs, 33 points, the most ever by a losing team in the Superbowl. I can't put any blame on the unit. I just can't. You can't expect the offense to literally be perfect. The offense was about as close to perfect as possible against a very good defensive line. Don't be stupid trying to nit pick. They gave up 41 and couldn't stop them once in the 2nd half. That's 99.99% of the reason they lost.

I suggest you not be closed-minded.

If a basketball player scores 40 points , pull down 17 rebounds has 9 assists and 9 blocks but makes a critical error in the closing seconds did he cost his team the game?

 

[supafly]

Did you not actually read my post? Limiting Philly's possessions doesn't matter if they keep matching your scoring. NE got the ball to start the half and scored a TD, making it 22-19. Then what did the defense do? 85 yards, TD to go ahead 29-19. NE cuts the lead again to 29-26. So this defense made a stop here, right? Nope, 51 yards, FG to push the lead to 32-26. NE TD and they finally have a 33-32 lead. So NOW the defense finally makes the adjustment and play, right? No. 75 yards and TD to pull back up 38-33.

So... how is that better than the 1st half?

What you are failing grasp is that limiting Philly's possessions also means limiting the Patriots possessions. That is the OPPOSITE of what is needed when trailing by multiple scores. You want to maximize possessions, which also means increasing Philly's possessions. The fact that Philly had essential 3 possessions the entire 2nd half doesn't bode well for the defense, because it means Philly went on long, clock killing drives. It's literally opposite of how your thinking. More possessions by virtue means you are making spots. Fewer possessions mean you aren't...

Those 3 drives took a combined 16 minutes. That's out of 28 minutes (before Pats possession that ended in the fumble). Philly not only basically matched the Pats scoring, but also possessed the ball 16 minutes to 12 minutes for the Pats... Again, how is anything other than the worst possible outcome defensively?

You simply can't make a comeback without making stops. Limiting possessions just doesn't work if they match your scoring... This isn't that difficult of a concept...

Yeah, I’m not sure why you find the need to be a **** about anything, but obviously we have a (slight) difference in opinions on this one, so we should probably just let it go.

As I’ve mentioned now several times, it doesn’t really matter because of the last two drives late in the game that Philly had, but at the same time I responded to an earlier post that suggested that zero positive halftime adjustments were made, and I don’t necessarily agree with that.

 

[Ring 6]

I think it's more likely he fears trashing himself rather than his star cornerback.

Also, I only want him to say more than the usual 7 words of explanation. He knows how to combine speaking honestly and diplomatically at the same time. It's not a question of bashing anyone.

He decided butler was a liability. You want him to go explain that to the public?
For what reason?

 

[IllegalContact]

That my friend is what we call a double standard.

Tom is the GOAT and he gets a pass for ****ty ball security (Note: I am ok with giving him a pass).

Shaq Mason skates by too.

BB doesn't get a pass for a football decision even though hes the GOAT.

Oh come on.....I said somewhere else that Brady read that play poorly and in the process of looking Jenkins off of white completely looked past an open Amendola going across the middle....prob had getting out of bounds on his mind, but I still like his game

Mason screwed up.....it’s on him and he got beat by a good vet, but I still like his game

B.B. f*cked up, but I still like his game though I hate this habit of spotting leads

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Please.

What exactly was "on him"?

Deciphering what he meant by that is subjective based on what you chose to believe.

It could mean a lot of things, including his handling of Butler.

 

[IllegalContact]

I can't dignify this with a response. Patriots do what is best at the time.

Ya need better ball control when your defense is.....you know.....sucking

 

[RobertWeathers]

Graham bullrushed Mason into Brady. OL cracked at the worst possible moment. Brady hesitated on that throw, he wanted to make big play down the field, did not expect Mason to lose ground. Both are culpable.

Agree.

Blame for the loss is on Belichick. If they had outplayed us while we were playing our best football on defense, hats off to them, there isn`t much you can do. But the whole defense was thrown off by a sudden change of defensive assignments. Players were out of their usual positions, tasked with covering guys they had no business covering in the first place.

Please detail and prove how the sudden change in defensive assignments influenced the outcome.

Please list out who was out of their usual matchups. Rowe is always on the outside. Chung played 1/2 of his snaps in the slot so that is not one.

We all knew Rowe should not be on Jeffery, he was on Jeffery.

BB is a #2 on one w/ help and a 1 on 2 w/ no help guy. What was different in the SB b/c thats how it started. The 1/2 time adjustment was #1 on #1.

McCourty should have been helping Rowe over the top, he had to shadow Ertz. Chung was the best option to neutralize Ertz, he was nowhere near Ertz. Safety was the worst possible choice for slot, safety was always in slot.

DMC did. re: Safety slot, Wrong.

During the regular season, Bademosi was playing outside and Rowe in slot, on Sunday Rowe was playing outside and Bademosi played in slot for a while and at the end he was actually outsnapped by Richards. 40 year old Harrison played 90% of the snaps, leaving him visibly gassed out in the 4th. Wise played only 6 snaps, Flowers 18, Elandon Roberts like 50. I am not pretending our defense was destined to limit the Eagles to 10 points, but you are supposed to play to your strengths, not the strengths of your opponent. We were making things so easy for them, over and over again. That was either a sabotage or a gross incompetence.

There are so many inaccuracies and delusional assessments I'm done ripping them apart.

 

[Satchboogie3]

I suggest you not be closed-minded.

If a basketball player scores 40 points , pull down 17 rebounds has 9 assists and 9 blocks but makes a critical error in the closing seconds did he cost his team the game?

I didn't say Brady, I said the offense. If a basketball team, with a coach know as being a defensive guru, score 130 points and lost, it would shock the world.

Yeah, I’m not sure why you find the need to be a **** about anything, but obviously we have a (slight) difference in opinions on this one, so we should probably just let it go.

As I’ve mentioned now several times, it doesn’t really matter because of the last two drives late in the game that Philly had, but at the same time I responded to an earlier post that suggested that zero positive halftime adjustments were made, and I don’t necessarily agree with that.

It's just simply not a matter of opinion. In the first half, they both forced a punt and a turnover. In the second half, they gave up either a TD or FG on every single drive, and worst of all, let them kill the clock while doing so. There is simply no logical argument to support a claim that the defense was in any way better in the second half.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yeah a stick of dynamite and a hydrogen bomb are both explosives.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Please let me know when you offer any value to the discussion.

Pissant.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Oh come on.....I said somewhere else that Brady read that play poorly and in the process of looking Jenkins off of white completely looked past an open Amendola going across the middle....prob had getting out of bounds on his mind, but I still like his game

Mason screwed up.....it’s on him and he got beat by a good vet, but I still like his game

B.B. f*cked up, but I still like his game though I hate this habit of spotting leads

Dude- Its ok to say Tom ****ed up. For all hes done and the game he had I, and the whole fan base should be cool with it.

Shaq too.

The same standard should go for BB and its ******** its not.

Thats my beef.

 

[IllegalContact]

Dude- Its ok to say Tom ****ed up. For all hes done and the game he had I, and the whole fan base should be cool with it.

Shaq too.

The same goes for BB.

Thats my beef.

I f*cked up dinner tonite

 

[RobertWeathers]

It could mean a lot of things, including his handling of Butler.

Or it could mean hes being polite and won't tell you a goddamn thing.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Oh come on.....I said somewhere else that Brady read that play poorly and in the process of looking Jenkins off of white completely looked past an open Amendola going across the middle....prob had getting out of bounds on his mind, but I still like his game

Mason screwed up.....it’s on him and he got beat by a good vet, but I still like his game

B.B. f*cked up, but I still like his game though I hate this habit of spotting leads

The problem is just how big the difference is in blame between the offensive unit and defensive unit. One had a historically bad game and the other a historically great game. They lost. It's not hard to see where the blame lies.

I get that we expect Brady to be great, but expecting him to not only be flawless, but to also play what would have been by far the greatest playoff performance of all time just isn't fair. Criticizing him for that strip sack on a pretty bang-bang play is just lazy. 48 attempts without an INT is a SB record. 505 yards, a Superbowl record. 3 TD, put his team in position to score 37 points on the first 8 drives. Criticizing that performance is literally saying he should have had the greatest game of any QB ever, Superbowl, playoffs, or regular season game. It's just so ridiculously unfair and out-of-whack with the way that defense played...

 

[RobertWeathers]

I f*cked up dinner tonite

My kid sliced her foot open on a hot tub and i told here she was fine......She needed 5 stitches.

Humans are faulty.

 

[IllegalContact]

The problem is just how big the difference is in blame between the offensive unit and defensive unit. One had a historically bad game and the other a historically great game. They lost. It's not hard to see where the blame lies.

I get that we expect Brady to be great, but expecting him to not only be flawless, but to also play what would have been by far the greatest playoff performance of all time just isn't fair. Criticizing him for that strip sack on a pretty bang-bang play is just lazy. 48 attempts without an INT is a SB record. 505 yards, a Superbowl record. 3 TD, put his team in position to score 37 points on the first 8 drives. Criticizing that performance is literally saying he should have been better than anyone has ever been before in that spot. It's just so ridiculously unfair and out-of-whack when the way that defense played...

The defense giving up 41 was more bad than scoring 33 was good

But I think it always works that way

 

[supafly]

There is simply no logical argument to support a claim that the defense was in any way better in the second half.

The question posed was whether or not any successful adjustments were made at halftime. I believe one example of this could be the decision to place Gilmore on Jeffrey, full time.

The game seemed to fall apart at the end, but I thought they did a better job than in the beginning. Philly needed two second half questionable TDs that baffled both announcers, a crucial 4th down attempt where the QB had to talk the HC out of punting, and a late game strip sack at the end to score those points.

It’s my opinion that they came to them easier in the first half, and that while only a minimal improvement occurred, the second half was slightly better. Based on the fact that they allowed less points in the second half, I’d say that one can at least make that argument. So again—you should attempt to respect the opinions of others even if you disagree with it. I’m not claiming that I’m right and you’re wrong. I’m stating my opinion and why I believe that way.

 

[IllegalContact]

My kid sliced her foot open on a hot tub and i told here she was fine......She needed 5 stitches.

Humans are faulty.

My son got shot in the leg (rubber bullet) at the umass postgame riot Sunday nite.....

 

[IllegalContact]

The question posed was whether or not any successful adjustments were made at halftime. I believe one example of this could be the decision to place Gilmore on Jeffrey, full time.

The game seemed to fall apart at the end, but I thought they did a better job than in the beginning. Philly needed two second half questionable TDs that baffled both announcers, a crucial 4th down attempt where the QB had to talk the HC out of punting, and a late game strip sack at the end to score those points.

It’s my opinion that they came to them easier in the first half, and that while only a minimal improvement occurred, the second half was slightly better. Based on the fact that they allowed less points in the second half, I’d say that one can at least make that argument. So again—you should attempt to respect the opinions of others even if you disagree with it. I’m not claiming that I’m right and you’re wrong. I’m stating my opinion and why I believe that way.

The Gilmore move happened before halftime

 

[Boomer B]

Or Johnny manziels brain into butler

Please explain “Johnny Manziels brain into Butler”. If you’ ve been paying attention everyone involved said it was performance, not discipline. Belichick said it was performance. Shefter’s sources said performance. Minnehan’s said performance. Butler denied any of the unfounded rumours. So if both Belichick and Butler said it wasn’t due to discipline, don’t make Butler out to be some Johnny Manziel like character.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I didn't say Brady, I said the offense. If a basketball team, with a coach know as being a defensive guru, score 130 points and lost, it would shock the world.

Christ.

It's just simply not a matter of opinion. In the first half, they both forced a punt and a turnover. In the second half, they gave up either a TD or FG on every single drive, and worst of all, let them kill the clock while doing so. There is simply no logical argument to support a claim that the defense was in any way better in the second half.

They allowed one less point in the 2nd 1/2. By way of trending analysis they improved