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I have a hunch that Butler was not going to take as many snaps in the first place, based on scheme, which made him check out even more the week prior.

This was all but confirmed by Rowe/MCCourty, if I am not mistaken.

Add in the additional antics by Butler and BB essentially demoted him, but dressed him in reserve.

Butler should not have cried over this. I find this troubling. There are guys every week who don't see as many snaps based on scheme.

I am sorry, but a 5'11 Butler on Jeffery would have been a disaster, so that's Gilmore in single man or Rowe with help. This is where I differ with BB.

Gilmore and his 14 mil needed to be on Agoholor, since e's by far their best all around WR. Jeffery is the school of Mike Wallace, but with more size and athleticism, but conceptually, it's a bracket job to dictate that Foles will not have that option, deep.

This is where BB/Patricia failed. If you know you Foles not even risking any balls to Jeffery based on the Harmon bracketing, it would have allowed Bademosi on Toerry Smith, which I believe would have worked fine, and McCourty down in the box in run support and maybe some blitzing when they needed it. One way to beat the RPO, is to blitz.

I am shocked at how they whiffed on this, because I don't think Butler over Bademosi changes that game. It's the concept and the scheme with personnel match ups in man that mattered. I have no idea how a HOF coach, the greatest ever, whiffed on this approach.

Chung on Ertz. Worked well pre-conussion.

Flowers on Clement. Was working. Nice coverage on the incomplete pass ruled a TD and nice plays around the line later in the game.

No idea what they ended up doing at halftime. The move for Gilmore on Jeffrey did work, but it didn't solve Agoholor or extra pressure on Foles.

I think this concept you have is a good and logical argument and I couldn’t disagree at all.

My main question to you is this. Is bill wrong to enforce agreed upon rules? Everyone always says the pats success is because everyone buys in. That said, do you play butler even if he violates two deal breaker rules?

It’s a hard question but for me. I’d bench him over it.
 
Hypothetical question: If you knew for certain a miscreant player (particularly one who had played in all the other games during the season) would be the difference in winning the SB, would you play him?

Secondary question: If you're not going to play him, why activate him?

We've explained your second question 5 billion times.

Did you see a dwarf slot WR on Philly's roster? If so, name him.
 
I think this concept you have is a good and logical argument and I couldn’t disagree at all.

My main question to you is this. Is bill wrong to enforce agreed upon rules? Everyone always says the pats success is because everyone buys in. That said, do you play butler even if he violates two deal breaker rules?

It’s a hard question but for me. I’d bench him over it.

I'll flip it back around: Do you honestly think BB wanted to bench Butler completely/demote him?

Only the people on the inside with Butler know how annoying he was. I feel for the kid, but the Pats offered likely a short term deal, but it was reported around 8 mil per.

The kid turned it down, so what do you think his level of delusion is?

My gut tells me they were already leaning Gilmore, Rowe, Bademosi due to the size elements Philly presented. I actually offered up Bademosi's name in my gameplan prediction thread as someone who may need to be used with Chung or in place of Chung at times. I was right. Chung was concussed. The problem is, BB chose Richards. Ugh. The size of Bademosi on Ertz. Butler offers no size. I like Bademosi. Good tackler, smart, some size. I think he can be good here and is intended to be Butler's replacement but at the perimeter CB spot, with Jon Jones graduating into the slot with his great speed and awesome 38" vertical leap.

i think the flu thing complicated matters, he comes in late, doesn't practice all that well, which sort of confirms their approach anyway.

His ego takes over, he goes off the rails with BB trying to keep it quiet, and then Butler starts crying on camera like a baby.

Again, I am more disappointed that my suggestions weren't closer to what BB actually did, because I truly and genuinely believe the approach I suggested in the game day threads, would have worked.

If we lose because overrated Torrey Smith catches a clutch TD, so be it. It would have meant we contained the run, held them to FGs more, and I feel matched up stronger, able to dictate more to Foles, as opposed to allowing him to dictate.

There is no way Bademosi was the guy on Smith for just the 11 snaps. That had to have been McCourty, but in man, that hurts you run support in the box. Butl someone was taking out Smith, that WOULD HAVE BEEN BUTLER, but we know what happened. Agoholor was the guy Gilmore needed to be on, IMO. That was the mistake.

And, Rowe had perfect man coverage on the Jeffery TD. The throw was almost indefensible, but if Harmon had shaded to that side at the snap, over the top, $100 that TD never happens, because the throw wouldn't have happened.

I am a believer in putting the onus on the players you believe in. It's what BB did with Butler in SB 49. Bademosi needed more snaps in this game, IMO, playing on Smith, the other match ups like I said, and McCourty as the floater, doubling and helping on some based on hunches pre snap or used in run support and blitzes. He was doing stuff like this, but without seeing gamefilm, he had to be the guy off camera playing more like a CB on Torrey Smith.

It was just this time around, Butler checked out mentally.
 
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I'll flip it back around: Do you honestly think BB wanted to bench Butler completely/demote him?

Only the people on the inside with Butler know how annoying he was. I feel for the kid, but the Pats offered likely a short term deal, but it was reported around 8 mil per.

The kid turned it down, so what do you think his level of delusion is?

I’d have to call it a deep delusion of grandeur.
I think he snapped from the pressure
 
I have a hunch that Butler was not going to take as many snaps in the first place, based on scheme, which made him check out even more the week prior.

This was all but confirmed by Rowe/MCCourty, if I am not mistaken.

Add in the additional antics by Butler and BB essentially demoted him, but dressed him in reserve.

Butler should not have cried over this. I find this troubling. There are guys every week who don't see as many snaps based on scheme.

I am sorry, but a 5'11 Butler on Jeffery would have been a disaster, so that's Gilmore in single man or Rowe with help. This is where I differ with BB.

Gilmore and his 14 mil needed to be on Agoholor, since e's by far their best all around WR. Jeffery is the school of Mike Wallace, but with more size and athleticism, but conceptually, it's a bracket job to dictate that Foles will not have that option, deep.

This is where BB/Patricia failed. If you know you Foles not even risking any balls to Jeffery based on the Harmon bracketing, it would have allowed Bademosi on Toerry Smith, which I believe would have worked fine, and McCourty down in the box in run support and maybe some blitzing when they needed it. One way to beat the RPO, is to blitz.

I am shocked at how they whiffed on this, because I don't think Butler over Bademosi changes that game. It's the concept and the scheme with personnel match ups in man that mattered. I have no idea how a HOF coach, the greatest ever, whiffed on this approach.

Chung on Ertz. Worked well pre-conussion.

Flowers on Clement. Was working. Nice coverage on the incomplete pass ruled a TD and nice plays around the line later in the game.

No idea what they ended up doing at halftime. The move for Gilmore on Jeffrey did work, but it didn't solve Agoholor or extra pressure on Foles.

Laughable post.

“Gilmore and his 14 mil needed to be on Agoholor”

What? The correct matchup was Gilmore on Jeffrey. That was pretty much proven in the game. Rowe/Butler on Agholor/Smith. Chung on Ertz. We do that and we likely win the friggin game. We got torched. Patrick Chung covering Nelson Agholor. How was that ever supposed to work?

This was a sh*t show of epic proportions
 
Yeah, it was bad. Can’t defend how it was set up at all

Butler tossed not only a bag full of monkey wrenches but a grenade into the game plan. Probably as revenge for his contract.
 
Yeah, it was bad. Can’t defend how it was set up at all

Butler tossed not only a bag full of monkey wrenches but a grenade into the game plan. Probably as revenge for his contract.

Yeah, Butler literally bursting into tears during the national anthem immediately after being told he was benched is clearly the sign of a player eager to spite the team.
 
Yeah, it was bad. Can’t defend how it was set up at all

Butler tossed not only a bag full of monkey wrenches but a grenade into the game plan. Probably as revenge for his contract.

Stop
 
Dude, you have been blathering on with this nonsense for 10 years. Everything you know about football is done through a google search. I think it's funny, it's not over my head, just funny, like funny haha.
As i said it is over your head.
 
Umm.. McCourty, who is a team Captain, said he knew that Butler wasn't a part of the game plan.. What other "captains" are you referring to?

Umm...McCourty said he found out before kickoff...when Butler did. So...Ummm...What other "captains" do you think I would be referring to? Did they hold re-elections shortly before kickoff in an alternate universe and select new ones?
 
Amazing how the Pats are 9-2 faves to win it all next season without Butler and with BB on our sideline. I think I'll give BB a mulligan on this one, even though he doesn't need one.
 
Yeah, it was bad. Can’t defend how it was set up at all

Butler tossed not only a bag full of monkey wrenches but a grenade into the game plan. Probably as revenge for his contract.

I agree. He comes off like a victim here, which shows immaturity, ego, and delusion.

He made his bed by rejecting a very lucrative and beyond fair deal from BB.

I'd surprised if the rejection of that deal didn't raise eyebrows all the way up to Kraft himself.

I'd also bet BB tried to deal Butler, if the deal was right, at the trade deadline, too. He would have played Bademosi more and especially more so Jon Jones on the slot WRs.
 
Right guys. I love the criticism. Are you serious?

7 afc championship games in a row and eight Super Bowls yet no!!
We can’t trust him to make a simple decision about when someone gets benched. Nope that’s betond his ability lmao

I mean wow
 
Umm...McCourty said he found out before kickoff...when Butler did. So...Ummm...What other "captains" do you think I would be referring to? Did they hold re-elections shortly before kickoff in an alternate universe and select new ones?

I think what he is saying is the final decision was made before kick off in terms of Butler being moved down the roster in favor of Bademosi.

I am not buying this shock crap by the other players. I am sure it was surprising, but not out of the woodwork based on the gameplan ideas and the size of Philly's. WRs.

I love how people bash BB for not moving larger CBs like a Browner over to Matthews fast enough (I was one of those people) and now BB has them and can scheme with them, and peolpe still want a dwarf CB on a 6'3 or 6'2 WR.

Laughable.

Butler PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SEEN SOME TIME, if he hadn't checked out on his team, but Butler wouldn't have somehow saved that game.
 
I agree. He comes off like a victim here, which shows immaturity, ego, and delusion.

He made his bed by rejecting a very lucrative and beyond fair deal from BB.

I'd surprised if the rejection of that deal didn't raise eyebrows all the way up to Kraft himself.

I'd also bet BB tried to deal Butler, if the deal was right, at the trade deadline, too. He would have played Bademosi more and especially more so Jon Jones on the slot WRs.


Butler is not a Victim here, but the other players and fan base are.
 
Yeah, Butler literally bursting into tears during the national anthem immediately after being told he was benched is clearly the sign of a player eager to spite the team.

Pretty normal reaction from somebody who just realized they had blown a huge opportunity.

Oh, my mistake, Butler’s behavior is Belichick’s fault.
 
Right guys. I love the criticism. Are you serious?

7 afc championship games in a row and eight Super Bowls yet no!!
We can’t trust him to make a simple decision about when someone gets benched. Nope that’s betond his ability lmao

I mean wow

BB is, after all, the one who chose to insert him into the goal line INT play in SB49.
 
Exactly. So, it can be coherently argued that B.B. knows when the music beat requires a change. This decision is a simple one and he deserves the latitude to make that decision.

The fact that he is not really being informative on it should be no shock as he’s never been much on being informative
 
Umm...McCourty said he found out before kickoff...when Butler did. So...Ummm...What other "captains" do you think I would be referring to? Did they hold re-elections shortly before kickoff in an alternate universe and select new ones?

No he did not. He heard it in a captains meeting long before that.
 
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