Saints vs Vikings Game Discussion

[sambam94]

saints just needed to run the ball 1 time on the final drive forcing minn to use their final time out. This cost them the game...clock management

 

[The Brandon Five]

Look at how full the stands are with 10 seconds, no timeouts and like 60 yards to go. I gotta think a lot of stadiums people would be doing that 'make their way into the aisle watching the game end while leaving' thing.

The stands were emptying out at Heinz before the game was over yesterday. Lots of yellow visible towards the end in what wound up being a close game. Maybe the fans realized that Tomlin was their coach...

 

[Bella*chick]

Coaches probably told him to make sure he didn't commit PI, which would have stopped the clock.

Especially since it really seemed like every time I looked up at the game (I was in and out of the room until the Saints made it interesting), it seemed like a Saint was being flagged for DPI.

 

[Kontradiction]

If he pushes him out of bounds there’d still be time left for a field goal

Better than whiffing on the tackle while taking out the only other guy that can stop a walk off TD.

 

[GoBlue]

Been reading some commets that the missed tackle was the result of bad rules. Some tacklers try to avoid big hits or hits to unprotected receiver to avoid penalty.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Better than whiffing on the tackle while taking out the only other guy that can stop a walk off TD.

yeah exactly. poor situational football by New Orleans, and I'm not surprised a Sean payton coached team would do this.

 

[maineman209]

ICYMI ...

 

[Uncle Rico]

Sorry if this has been discussed but I did a searcher "helmet" in this thread and found nothing:

Why no penalty on Diggs for taking off and tossing his helmet? You can see the official sees it and clearly throws a flag. I guess I'm not clear on the penalty either -- if it would be assessed on the kick off it obviously becomes moot.

Or did the rule against taking off your helmet go away with the new rules allowing big celebrations?

Thanks.


Edit, also ...

 

[GoBlue]

Wasn't there even talks of excessive celebrations cause a score to be taken away/

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Think he was afraid of hitting him early and being called for DPI.

"Situational Football." We all get tired of hearing BB say it, but this is as good an example of it as we will ever see.

New Orleans has a CB (Alexander, #20) and a Safety (Williams, #53) in position on the play.

The Situation is that MIN is out of TO's and can only keep its chances of winning the game alive if the Pass in Incomplete, if Diggs catches the pass and gets OB, draws a penalty or (of course this isn't going to happen ) scores a Touchdown.

Diggs beats the Corner and goes up to make the catch, but the Safety forgets the situation and, instead of putting himself in position to tackle the receiver inbounds if he catches the ball, keeps running headlong towards the receiver as if it's the first drive of the first Quarter and its his job to break up the pass or tackle the receiver, with his momentum pushing him OB.

However, because Williams is running full tilt at Diggs, at the last microsecond Williams seems to actually try to avoid hitting him because he's afraid of getting called for Pass Interference. Then he compounds the error by effectively taking Alexander out of the play.

Skol!

The closest example in recent Patriots history is if Browner and Butler had forgotten that the Seahawks were in their Goalline formation and that when the Seahawks stack Kearse and Lockette in that situation, it's Kearse's job to jam Browner and presume that Butler will hold his position to protect against a pass to the corner of the End Zone while Lockette cuts across the middle for an easy TD.

I guess that's why Belichick coaches his players on every conceivable possibility in every situation.

 

[Uptown]

Not even tackle. All he had to do was maintain position or push him out of bounds and game over.

I see a lot of people saying this. Not necessarily. Remember, when Diggs caught the ball, there was still 4 seconds left on the clock. Assuming he goes out of bounds, there was still plenty of time left for a field goal attempt. Now, who knows if Blair Walsh makes it or not. That’s another story. I’ve watched this play numerous times.

No recency bias, I just disagree. Moore simply misjudged the ball, Williams ducked under the receiver (presumably to avoid a DPI) and then dove completely out of the play, when a mere wrap up tackle after the catch likely ends the game.

As I said before, they aren't even close.

You're right. This was worse.

 

[fightingirish595]

Rarely anything good comes out of leaving your feet, The coverage was fine. Williams was in the right position, just failed to make a play

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Stefon Diggs’ helmet throw would have mattered, only if time was left on the clock

 

[RIpats88]

this is the kind of loss that haunts teams. the Saints had the game won. Brees brought them back. just had to defend 3rd and 10 to keep them out of field goal range. Even if you give up a pass/interference you can try and block the field goal to at least give them a 50-50 shot of winning/losing. Instead he takes out his own player allowing a TD that ends the game.

this may haunt the saints like how the pick in the endzone haunted the seahawks, or blowing a 28-3 lead has seemingly haunted the falcons.

and for such a good coach(supposedly) sean payton does make some dumb decisions. Blowing both timeouts/challenges in the 2nd half surely hurt them.

 

[TBR]

Sorry if this has been discussed but I did a searcher "helmet" in this thread and found nothing:

Why no penalty on Diggs for taking off and tossing his helmet? You can see the official sees it and clearly throws a flag. I guess I'm not clear on the penalty either -- if it would be assessed on the kick off it obviously becomes moot.

Or did the rule against taking off your helmet go away with the new rules allowing big celebrations?

Thanks.


Edit, also ...

Wouldn't that only affect the extra point or kickoff? It definitely doesn't affect a TD. There was no time left on the clock, so there wouldn't be a kickoff. And they knelt for the extra point anyway.

 

[Uptown]

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Sean Payton Reportedly Mocked Vikings Fans With Skol Chant Right Before Game-Winning TD

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Better than whiffing on the tackle while taking out the only other guy that can stop a walk off TD.

True. But if he had tried for an actual tackle rather than a take-the-legs-out-from-under-him killshot, he wouldn't have whiffed on the tackle.

 

[pherein]

this is the kind of loss that haunts teams. the Saints had the game won. Brees brought them back. just had to defend 3rd and 10 to keep them out of field goal range. Even if you give up a pass/interference you can try and block the field goal to at least give them a 50-50 shot of winning/losing. Instead he takes out his own player allowing a TD that ends the game.

this may haunt the saints like how the pick in the endzone haunted the seahawks, or blowing a 28-3 lead has seemingly haunted the falcons.

and for such a good coach(supposedly) sean payton does make some dumb decisions. Blowing both timeouts/challenges in the 2nd half surely hurt them.

were used to it though 4 defenses have blown 60 sec left on the clock after Brees won it in 4 playoffs, I'm more worried about Brees than the fans.

 

[Ring 6]

Been reading some commets that the missed tackle was the result of bad rules. Some tacklers try to avoid big hits or hits to unprotected receiver to avoid penalty.

Did you watch the play?
It was a result of bad football not anything to do with rules.