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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Thanks. I don't follow the distinction between us and the Ratbirds and the 49ers?
Thanks. I don't follow the distinction between us and the Ratbirds and the 49ers?
As far as I understand it, There are two measures: man-games lost and then man-games lost weighted by the value of the player.
I think White is still the primary 3rd down back. 20 snaps yesterday for 2 receptions for 8 yards. Just not producing. It looks like Burkhead or Lewis could step into that role. Of course it all changes now with Burkhead out, and White was also injured although he returned.
Ok. I'm not too informed on the second level stats but in reading it seems the higher "AV" is the better the player.
Got it.
Since the Chargers game, his production or efficiency in terms of yards per touch and conversions per touch seem to have declined. Just my impression. True?And wk-13 @BUF, White had more catches for more yards than Burkhead or Cooks. And Lewis had zero tgts for the 4th game this season that. Last week, @Mia, White had 35 snaps, matching the combined total for Lewis and Burkhead that game (White stays in for blitz pickup a lot).
The thing about totes, tgts and snaps is that they're zero-sum games. If Player A gets more of something, Player B get less. Add to that the fact that McD attacks with different weapons in different ways from game-to-game, and there are going to be players who see their opportunities and production vary.
From Week-7 (ATL) through Week-12 (the first MIA game), as the Burkhead-Lewis show kicked into high gear, White's snap counts and, consequently, "production" declined. Shocker.
And yet, since wk-7, RB receiving yds are:
- Burkhead = 205
- White = 177
- Lewis = 108 (His tgts/catches per game and ypc this season are down from even last season, when he wasn't 100%).
In spite of White's reduced opportunities for a significant stretch this season ...
... his avg rushing attempts per game are still higher than last season
... he passed his 2016 total yards rushing two games ago
... his catches per game avg is up over last season, and his catch rate is way up
... he's 4th in receptions/game for the season, behind only Gronk, Cooks & 'Dola
... his ypc, ypg and YAC% are all down (slightly) - shorter passes, fewer screen plays
So, "extraordinary" decline in productivity? "Just not producing"?
Since the Chargers game, his production or efficiency in terms of yards per touch and conversions per touch seem to have declined. Just my impression. True?
I think White is still the primary 3rd down back. 20 snaps yesterday for 2 receptions for 8 yards. Just not producing. It looks like Burkhead or Lewis could step into that role. Of course it all changes now with Burkhead out, and White was also injured although he returned.
I am not saying there has been anything alarming, but I noticed that White was a dual threat running and receiving and both seem to have diminished. I would like to know if what I am saying is borne out. I could be wrong. Perhaps someone can find his third down stats and see what has been happening. I understand he is used less on first and second downs, but I think he takes nearly all the 3rd downs but converts fewer. It is a hypothesis.Beginning immediately after the Chargers game (when White went off - again - for 85 receiving yards on five catches) or, perhaps more pertinently, after the BYE that followed that game, a lot had changed.
While Burkhead and Lewis have averaged about 10 more snaps per game between the two of them since the BYE, White's average snaps/game have been reduced by the same amount - and Gillislee has been inactive. White' touches/snap have also been down significantly, as well as his (yes) yds/touch (OTOH, he's also produced 2 TDs). For most, but not all, of that six-game snapshot.
To me, that indicates that the offense, at least wrt RBs, was reconfigured substantially during the BYE week and White's role has also changed substantially. For one thing, he's apparently been staying in the backfield on a higher percentage of his snaps.
I just don't find any of this extraordinary or alarming, and I'm not sure why I should. My guess is that White simply hasn't been seeing many (if any) packaged plays designed for him (except, maybe against Buffalo), and that most of his recent touches have been one-offs, more or less.
Seems to me that, with Burkhead now likely out for a couple of games, White's role may (or may not) change again. If it changes, we'll see what happens to his productivity numbers. Gillislee seems certain to be active, so Lewis' role may (or may not) change substantially, too.
Agree with this, and I'd like to see Lewis and Burkhead take 3rd downs as well. But my impression is that White gets those opportunities and I'm not sure I understand why. Specifically, my impression is that both Burkhead and Lewis have been more effective running and receiving. I could certainly be wrong.I keep saying this, but I think it's important to keep pointing it out.
Gillislee - Blount replacement, with minimal receiving impact
Lewis - Best RB, effective in both the run and pass game, though not the best pass protect guy
White - 3dRB, with minimal running impact
Burkhead - Swiss army RB
Lewis is a passing and running threat, as is Burkhead.
Gillislee is all about the run
White is all about the pass
If you're splitting snaps more than playing guys together, it makes more sense to be using a healthy Burkhead and Lewis more than the other two players, because they're better dual threats.
Agree with this, and I'd like to see Lewis and Burkhead take 3rd downs as well. But my impression is that White gets those opportunities and I'm not sure I understand why. Specifically, my impression is that both Burkhead and Lewis have been more effective running and receiving. I could certainly be wrong.
I don’t think his snaps are down. He just isn’t producing.White is just not getting playing time. When he’s in he does his job well. That’s a great backup to have. The same with Gilly. I don’t think he’s anything great but we could use him now.
I don’t think his snaps are down. He just isn’t producing.
Some of that is situational. We were behind and throwing a lot more in the first 6 games.Over the first 6 games of the season, White averaged 48% of offensive snaps. Since then, he's averaged 32% of snaps.
I keep saying this, but I think it's important to keep pointing it out.
Gillislee - Blount replacement, with minimal receiving impact
Lewis - Best RB, effective in both the run and pass game, though not the best pass protect guy
White - 3dRB, with minimal running impact
Burkhead - Swiss army RB
Lewis is a passing and running threat, as is Burkhead.
Gillislee is all about the run
White is all about the pass
If you're splitting snaps more than playing guys together, it makes more sense to be using a healthy Burkhead and Lewis more than the other two players, because they're better dual threats.
But assuming Burk is out, the role of primarily carrying the ball has to be taken over, to some degree, by Gill while Lewis will now fill more of the utility knife position. Personally I'm ok with that on one level. Get Lewis a pass with some space/ability to get moving forward with some momentum? He can be a monster threat to run by/around guys. But I don't blame JM/BB for using him overwhelmingly as a runner -- the numbers speak for themselves. Where I'm not ok with it on the other level is the harsh reality that Gill is unlikely to reproduce the running production that Lewis is currently providing.
I don't expect Gillislee to get all that many snaps (note that his big drop in snaps started before Burkhead returned).
I expect that White will get more snaps
Although, with these last two games, I could see BB and McDaniels using Gillislee more than they normally would expect to, if the Patriots can get a good lead early. It would be a way to keep Lewis fresher for the playoffs.
I am not saying there has been anything alarming, but I noticed that White was a dual threat running and receiving and both seem to have diminished. I would like to know if what I am saying is borne out. I could be wrong. Perhaps someone can find his third down stats and see what has been happening. I understand he is used less on first and second downs, but I think he takes nearly all the 3rd downs but converts fewer. It is a hypothesis.