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Patriots now have the 4th ranked defense (PPG) in the NFL

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Do we think there are NFC teams a cut above Pitt?

Philly is done. Lambs are young. Vikes have. JAG at QB. Nawlins? Brees and Payton did not distinguish themselves on Thurs night. SEA?ATL?GB w AR? I don't think so.

I dont know and honestly dont really care enough to take a deep dive on potential NFC opponents until we get to Championship Weekend. Then I will start paying more attention to the details of participating teams.

All I see in the AFC road that awaits is nobody that can really take advantage of Hightower being gone.
 
They're doing what they're supposed to do, but I think the Pittsburgh game will be the ultimate litmus test for how good they really are until the playoffs come. Haven't really been impressed by the offenses we've faced since week 4
 
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Can’t really judge NO without Kamara. I have a feeling JAX will be trouble for either NE or Pitt.
Maybe : but I will need for Jax to show something in the second round of the playoffs for me to believe in them. Talent alone isn’t enough in January. And I dunno if the Jaguars have what it takes when the games count.
 
Carolina's defense is real. I now think Atlanta, NO or Carolina will come out of the NFC.
I'm iffy on ATL
 
The Jags and Chargers are interesting teams in the AFC. I do wonder how these warm weather teams will fare in Foxboro in January. The Jags may travel better with their running game. Coughlin turns out tough teams.

I am looking forward to seeing how the different defensive philosophy the Steelers have adopted (to deal with their problems containing the Patriots) works out, though the loss of Shazier is brutal in trying to stop the Patriots.


Hope the D holds the Fish to single digits, love to see the media reaction if we are 3rd om PA.
 
Regarding Jacksonville, the Pats have already proved they can move the ball & score vs. just as good versions of that scheme (2012 & 2014 Seattle).
 
I dont know and honestly dont really care enough to take a deep dive on potential NFC opponents until we get to Championship Weekend. Then I will start paying more attention to the details of participating teams.

All I see in the AFC road that awaits is nobody that can really take advantage of Hightower being gone.
I agree but you started the speculation of the NFC.

My point is the "bigger fish to fry" is Pittsburgh. Sedate Pitt and the path to the SB is made. Gotta get there first.
 
I agree but you started the speculation of the NFC.

My point is the "bigger fish to fry" is Pittsburgh. Sedate Pitt and the path to the SB is made. Gotta get there first.

I feel like the Vikings, Eagles (even without Wentz) and NO (with Lattimore + Kamara) present a bigger issue than the Steelers (or anyone in the AFC really).

But like I said I didnt really look into anything deeper than watching condensed games of those teams yet.
 
And, at the moment, tied for 1st with TEN in fewest rushing TDs allowed (5).

I would still love to see the run D improve over the next few weeks.
 


....and in typical streaky Chiefs fashion over their final 8 games they allowed 30ppg and went 2-6.

Its almost like that team has the personality of their coach. I bet Andy Reid goes through a stretch where hes diciplined, watches what he eats and exercises but then completely loses control and starts ordering Dominos at 2am and stuffs his face with EL Fudges for breakfast.
 
I feel like the Vikings, Eagles (even without Wentz) and NO (with Lattimore + Kamara) present a bigger issue than the Steelers (or anyone in the AFC really).

But like I said I didnt really look into anything deeper than watching condensed games of those teams yet.
NO w those 2 I completely agree.

IMO Vikes and Iggles don't have the QB play that is required to win a SB and their Ds- while good are not elite enough to carry them in the playoffs
 
On a serious note, I'm starting to wonder if Belichick's salary cap philosophy is tied to red zone defense.

There may be a sliver of truth to this, but you pull in a lot of extraneous and even contradictory information to make your case. For instance:

the decision to break the bank for Gilmore over Butler comes to mind, as Butler is a less physical defender who can be boxed out in the endzone.

Given Bill's recent history with DBs, it is clear that height is not a required trait, nor is it anything that is built around at the expense of other factors. Height may had played a part in Gilmore's signing, but not in the sense you describe. Instead, it would be that Stephon checked all the necessary boxes.... and was also tall.

Then there are the facts that height isn't an EZ specific advantage and Gilmore "over" Butler is an inapt description of his acquisition.

Edge rushers are certainly less valuable as you get closer to defending your own goal line

This doesn't ring true at all. Pass rushing specialists might lose value, but a complete edge defender is no less valuable on the 5 than they are at the 50. It's not like teams can't run off tackle in the red zone. A case could also be made that quick pressure is even more important in the RZ than it is elsewhere.

whereas NTs and MLBs become much more valued.

If true, then NE would have made a more concerted effort to improve the ILBs in recent years. Instead, it's been HT and a bunch of developmental youngsters and league washouts. Granted, they've found some decent players, but the approach doesn't indicate a specific focus on the position. Even moreso when you consider that HT himself was no lock to be here this year (and his injury history).

Belichick didn't even try to resign Chandler Jones and traded away Jamie Collins.

It was pretty obvious after 2014 that Chandler didn't have a long Patriots life expectancy. He just wasn't well rounded enough to deserve the kind of contract his pass rushing skills alone would earn on the open market.

As for Collins, they only traded him away after making a lucrative offer and having him become a locker room distraction. Jamie doesn't support your thesis, he contradicts it.

I don't think Wilfork supports your thesis, either. Yes, he would be incredibly beneficial on the goal-line, but so is every NT in the league. What made Vince so remarkable - and, hence, worth a big investment - is his versatility. Not only was he terrific at the core duties, Wilfork was the rare NT who could play the edge if the match up required it. There is no reason to think a RZ bias had any influence on the decision to lock him up.

The question of why the disparity between yards and points is so consistent is an interesting one. Your attempt to explain it is admirable, but misses the mark, IMO.
 
Maybe : but I will need for Jax to show something in the second round of the playoffs for me to believe in them. Talent alone isn’t enough in January. And I dunno if the Jaguars have what it takes when the games count.

JAX, with its top-ranked defense and "shaky" offense led by a JAG-QB, has begun to remind me of another team from the past. Hint: this "other team" finished 12-4 as the #4 seed in the AFC. They beat the #1 seed and the #2 seed on the road on their way to trouncing the NFC #1 seed in the Superbowl that year.

JAX current rankings below, with the rankings of this "other team" in parentheses:

DEFENSE
Points = 1 (1)
Yards = 2 (2)
Turnovers = 1 (1)
1st Downs = 2 (2)
Pass yds = 1 (8)
Pass TDs = 2 (2)
Rush yds = 22 (1)
Rush ypa = 29 (1)
Rush TDs = 3 (1)


OFFENSE
Points = 6 (14)
Yards = 11 (16)
Turnovers = 9 (9)
Pass yds = 18 (22)
Pass TDs = 23 (15)
Rush yds = 1 (5)
Rush TDs = 5 (24)
Rush ypa = 6 (8)
 
JAX, with its top-ranked defense and "shaky" offense led by a JAG-QB, has begun to remind me of another team from the past. Hint: this "other team" finished 12-4 as the #4 seed in the AFC. They beat the #1 seed and the #2 seed on the road on their way to trouncing the NFC #1 seed in the Superbowl that year.

JAX current rankings below, with the rankings of this "other team" in parentheses:

DEFENSE
Points = 1 (1)
Yards = 2 (2)
Turnovers = 1 (1)
1st Downs = 2 (2)
Pass yds = 1 (8)
Pass TDs = 2 (2)
Rush yds = 22 (1)
Rush ypa = 29 (1)
Rush TDs = 3 (1)


OFFENSE
Points = 6 (14)
Yards = 11 (16)
Turnovers = 9 (9)
Pass yds = 18 (22)
Pass TDs = 23 (15)
Rush yds = 1 (5)
Rush TDs = 5 (24)
Rush ypa = 6 (8)

I think the Jags are for real, but missing from your analysis is that one team had a future GOAT at QB and one team has Blake Bortles. They remind me more of some of the great TB teams that could never get over the hump.
 
JAX, with its top-ranked defense and "shaky" offense led by a JAG-QB, has begun to remind me of another team from the past. Hint: this "other team" finished 12-4 as the #4 seed in the AFC. They beat the #1 seed and the #2 seed on the road on their way to trouncing the NFC #1 seed in the Superbowl that year.

JAX current rankings below, with the rankings of this "other team" in parentheses:

DEFENSE
Points = 1 (1)
Yards = 2 (2)
Turnovers = 1 (1)
1st Downs = 2 (2)
Pass yds = 1 (8)
Pass TDs = 2 (2)
Rush yds = 22 (1)
Rush ypa = 29 (1)
Rush TDs = 3 (1)


OFFENSE
Points = 6 (14)
Yards = 11 (16)
Turnovers = 9 (9)
Pass yds = 18 (22)
Pass TDs = 23 (15)
Rush yds = 1 (5)
Rush TDs = 5 (24)
Rush ypa = 6 (8)

Hmm, what I see is that you can run on the 2017 Jags. 2001 Patriots not so much.
 
JAX, with its top-ranked defense and "shaky" offense led by a JAG-QB, has begun to remind me of another team from the past. Hint: this "other team" finished 12-4 as the #4 seed in the AFC. They beat the #1 seed and the #2 seed on the road on their way to trouncing the NFC #1 seed in the Superbowl that year.

JAX current rankings below, with the rankings of this "other team" in parentheses:

DEFENSE
Points = 1 (1)
Yards = 2 (2)
Turnovers = 1 (1)
1st Downs = 2 (2)
Pass yds = 1 (8)
Pass TDs = 2 (2)
Rush yds = 22 (1)
Rush ypa = 29 (1)
Rush TDs = 3 (1)


OFFENSE
Points = 6 (14)
Yards = 11 (16)
Turnovers = 9 (9)
Pass yds = 18 (22)
Pass TDs = 23 (15)
Rush yds = 1 (5)
Rush TDs = 5 (24)
Rush ypa = 6 (8)

****, is that the 2012 Ravens, starring Jumpball Joe and the refs?
 
I think the Jags are for real, but missing from your analysis is that one team had a future GOAT at QB and one team has Blake Bortles. They remind me more of some of the great TB teams that could never get over the hump.

Actually, the "other team" I'm thinking of actually had 2 JAG QBs that season, neither of whom was on the team the following year.
 
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