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How many coaches have won consistently without a great QB? Teams go as far as their QB takes them and we have had the best one in the NFL for almost 2 decades.
The list is endless.

Coughlin
Parcells
Gibbs
Ditka
Reid
Carroll
Etc.
 
"Adequately replace" with whom, specifically? What specific players were available who you're certain could have "adequately replaced" Nink, Long and Sheard and fit under the cap?
Alex Okafor

Kony Ealy

Dwight Freeney

Shilique Calhoun (waived by Oakland on cut-down day before he was re-signed to their PS)

Jordan Willis (instead of Derek Shawn Crable 2.0 Rivers)
 
There are plenty of positive outcomes that have come out of the 5th round or later. To think wasting a pick as no big deal is not a sensible.

Wrong. It's it the most sensible thing to do. It's logical, rational and increases a teams chances of getting a contribution for the draft capital.

As I've said the failure rate of a 5th rounder is 90%.

Please explain why trading a 5th Rd pick for an NFL player who in the prior year had 3 sacks, 9 pressures and contributes on special teams and a low salary was an illogical move.
 
Eric Lee, 6032/260 (OLB/DE)

4.72/40, 1.60/10yd .. 24 reps .. 26.5 vert/117 lj .. 4.82 ss/7.41 3c

Hightower, 6030/265

4.68/40, 1.66/10yd .. N/A reps .. 32 vert/117 lj .. 4.64 ss/7.55 3c
And…?
 
Really so who were their QBs during this period where the won consistently?
You can look it up.

I assure you they were not great.
 
Wrong. It's it the most sensible thing to do. It's logical, rational and increases a teams chances of getting a contribution for the draft capital.

As I've said the failure rate of a 5th rounder is 90%.

Please explain why trading a 5th Rd pick for an NFL player who in the prior year had 3 sacks, 9 pressures and contributes on special teams and a low salary was an illogical move.
It isn’t an illogical move but if it doesn’t work out you admit that your decision didn’t work out in that situation. You don’t pretend it is no big deal because what you gave up was insignificant.
 
It isn’t an illogical move but if it doesn’t work out you admit that your decision didn’t work out in that situation. You don’t pretend it is no big deal because what you gave up was insignificant.
Again, the failure rate of a 5th Rd pick is 90%.

Seems to me Bill thinks a 5th has value but if he loses it it's not going to paralyze his ability to keep a pipeline of young talent running through this team.
 
Consider the past 20-25 years of football when you make your list.
Why 20-25 years? Moving the goal posts? What difference does it make?
 
a lot of recent BB moves aren't working out very well. he's on a cold streak.

He makes a lot of moves, and takes a lot of fliers on players who were mediocre/bad elsewhere. Failures are inherent when that's your approach. The problem around here is that the homers defend almost ever freakin' move, the CL's cry about even the longest of longshots, and the serious analysis that could make up the accurate middle rarely gets done anymore.

Want to see where the Patriots have had some issues of late? We don't even need to get into free agency or trades. Take a look at the first and second rounds post-2010.

First round picks:

2011 - Solder
2012 - Hightower
2012 - Jones
2014 - Easley
2015 - Brown

Second round picks:

2011 - Vereen
2011 - Dowling
2012 - Wilson
2013 - Dobson
2013 - Collins
2014 - JAG
2015 - Richards
2016 - Cyrus Jones
 
Most "homers" have admitted countless, countless times that Belichick makes mistakes. When we defend him, we usually mean most of the following:

1) Being an NFL GM is a lot harder than the forum experts think it is.

The more you disagree with this statement, the more on self-delusional side of the Dunning-Kruger effect you probably sit.

2) We don't have even 10% of the information that Belichick uses when making personnel decisions.

Does Nick Saban call you up and chat about his players? Have you ever talked to said player? Whats he like in the locker room? How hard is he trying? What's his attitude like? How much is he improving? How much does he love/live for football? What does "Pink Stripes" mean? How many times a day does Earnie talk to you?

3) Failure is an integral part of NFL.

Its not that Belichick makes mistakes, its that he is making less mistakes than other GMs and does more with his opportunities than most. He does this with LESS draft capital than ANY other GM because he drafts year after year after year BEHIND all other NFL teams on average and he's been drafting dead last (on average) for 15+ years straight.

Really interested in drafting player X? Well, better hope he's still there after 27 teams have had their pick first.

4) Half the time, we homers just want to see some acknowledgement that YOU don't have all the answers.

Because we know you don't.

5) While we readily admit that Belichick makes mistakes, we also don't think he's "stupid". If your premise is that he was being "stupid" then please see #2. You are probably wrong.

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Because we have Tom Brady.

we won 11 games with matt cassel.

we won 3 out of 4 with the backup, and then the backups backup.
since brady became the starter the team is 14-6

what happened after peyton went down for indy?
how about greenbay without rogers? i'd wager neither of them were over 50%

even without brady there are 20 teams that would switch places with us in a heartbeat. maybe more.
 
He makes a lot of moves, and takes a lot of fliers on players who were mediocre/bad elsewhere. Failures are inherent when that's your approach. The problem around here is that the homers defend almost ever freakin' move, the CL's cry about even the longest of longshots, and the serious analysis that could make up the accurate middle rarely gets done anymore.

Want to see where the Patriots have had some issues of late? We don't even need to get into free agency or trades. Take a look at the first and second rounds post-2010.

First round picks:

2011 - Solder
2012 - Hightower
2012 - Jones
2014 - Easley
2015 - Brown

Second round picks:

2011 - Vereen
2011 - Dowling
2012 - Wilson
2013 - Dobson
2013 - Collins
2014 - JAG
2015 - Richards
2016 - Cyrus Jones

Such a difficult thing to compare team to team draft picks overall over a multi year track in order to determine who is drafting well ( a lot of factors from position, to unlucky injury, to current position staff, team schedule, complimentary nature of football where one area affects the play of another etc).

I found one article that had some stats.

Percentage of Total Games Started by 2010 draftees tracked from 2010 - 2015 seasons:

1st 67.5%
2nd 33.8%
3rd 36.3%
4th 6.3%
5th 4.4%
6th 1.9%
7th 0.0%
Note: 2010 draftees started 15% of the games between 2010 - 2015.

2010 All Pros
-1st round picks had a 49% chance to reach first or second team all pro status at least once.
-2nd round picks had a 14% chance to reach first or second team all pro status at least once.
Shockingly, next likeliest round to reach this all pro status at least once? "Undrafted" at 11%

Obviously 2010 could be an aberration. But since the deep stats are so hard to find or even quantify then for arguments sake let's say 2010 is representative. If so then it appears that BB is hitting slightly better on first round and slightly worse on 2nd round. ((I think a good stat to check is BB's undrafted "hits" versus the 11%))

Another interesting item: it appears once you get into the lower rounds the hit/miss between them and undrafted becomes not very distinguishable.

As to BB himself, the Patriots are beyond extremely fortunate to have him as HC/GM despite his mistakes (and he certainly makes mistakes). Not sure what the odd agenda is to suggest he's been more a passenger(even a lucky passenger) to this extreme run of success but to each their own.
 
we won 11 games with matt cassel.

we won 3 out of 4 with the backup, and then the backups backup.
since brady became the starter the team is 14-6

what happened after peyton went down for indy?
how about greenbay without rogers? i'd wager neither of them were over 50%

even without brady there are 20 teams that would switch places with us in a heartbeat. maybe more.

We won 11 with cassel but the year before we won 16 with Brady with essentially the same team around them. That's a 5 game difference and we didn't even make the playoffs. This is the argument Brady haters use to downplay his abilities, that because Cassel won 11 games Brady is mainly a system Qb. Cassel isn't trash either, he did well in KC.

It's nobody's fault but their own that Indy and GB didnt and don't have a quality backup.

Take Brady out and most teams would not trade their rosters for ours. Most teams would trade for Bb and Brady in a heartbeat.
 
Seems to me Bill thinks a 5th has value but if he loses it it's not going to paralyze his ability to keep a pipeline of young talent running through this team.
Signing Eric Lee from Buffalo's practice squad is in no way, shape or form keeping a pipeline of young talent running through the team.
 
We won 11 with cassel but the year before we won 16 with Brady with essentially the same team around them. That's a 5 game difference and we didn't even make the playoffs. This is the argument Brady haters use to downplay his abilities, that because Cassel won 11 games Brady is mainly a system Qb. Cassel isn't trash either, he did well in KC.

It's nobody's fault but their own that Indy and GB didnt and don't have a quality backup.

Take Brady out and most teams would not trade their rosters for ours. Most teams would trade for Bb and Brady in a heartbeat.

this isnt a discussion about bradys skills.

are you telling me the browns wouldn't want an 11 win team? a bad year for the pats is still one of the best years a lot of these teams will ever have.
 
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