Jimmy Garoppolo traded to SF for 2018 2nd round draft pick

[Gumby]

He'll obviously fail in SF, cause he can't seem to figure out how to let go of that clipboard.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

You do that. I will anticipate your apology.

If JG never was viewed by BB as Brady's potential successor, then the Patriots conducted themselves incoherently by not trading him for a bigger return last spring and then entering contract talks with him over the spring and summer. I have no doubt they badly wanted to retain him as Brady's eventuaIl successor and tried, as far as even considering franchising him according to multiple reports.

There really is no other explanation for keeping such a valuable asset as long as they did under present circumstances. Otherwise, they would have traded him last spring and retained Brissett as backup.

Agree on all fronts here. Why are people trying so hard to refute this?

Even if you're a hardcore Brady fan and don't want to speculate on him ever being "replaced," why would you want to deny this? If anything, Brady played some of his best football after Garapolo was drafted, and convinced the NFL world that he could remain elite into his 40s. That really says a lot about his competitiveness and devotion to his craft.

Even still, can you really blame Belichick for trying to set the franchise up for long-term success by drafting Jimmy (and by his own admission, trying to find a way to secure him beyond the 2017 season as a successor)?

Belichick has his work cut out for him. Though every now and then, a QB appears in the mid or late rounds that surprise draft experts (Wilson, Dak, even Brady) QBs like Garoppolo don't typically grow on trees. There's a strong possibility that after Brady retires, the Pats may still not have a franchise QB to replace him.... and mediocrity will follow.

At some point, the dynasty has to end....and you can either ride it out with the horse that got you there....or take a gamble to rejuvenate it, even if it sets you back. And it appears that Kraft wants Belichick to ride this out with Tom, because he clearly earned it with his play. At 40 years old, he's still carrying this team.

 

[supafly]

Belichick has his work cut out for him. Though every now and then, a QB appears in the mid or late rounds that surprise draft experts (Wilson, Dak, even Brady) QBs like Garoppolo don't typically grow on trees. There's a strong possibility that after Brady retires, the Pats may still not have a franchise QB to replace him.... and mediocrity will follow.

Belichick will have three selections in the top 60-65 picks next spring. It’s possible that he chooses to select a QB then, and he spends the next couple of years learning under Brady. It doesn’t necessarily have to be mid or late round lightning in a bottle, as you seem to suggest.

As a matter of fact, after spending 3 selections on third rounders (KOC, Mallett, Brissett) and not getting much back in return, I’d have to guess that he may have liked the flexibility that came with having the option to grab a 2nd round prospect (JG) who actually had good talent and measurables. Personally, I’m fully expecting a QB to be taken with one of those first few picks, and it’s supposed to be a decent class at the position.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

I think that's the key thing in BB's thinking and the thing that changed from the spring.

In the spring I think they kept JG because:
1) They felt the team was good enough for a very deep run even if Brady went down and JG had to take over for several games/rest of the year.
2) They were hoping they could get a bridge deal done.

Now here we are at the trading deadline. JG rejected any bridge deal. And the team isn't as good/deep as everyone hoped back in the spring. I think BB has concluded they they are screwed with anyone other than Brady -- which greatly lowers the insurance value of JG. So given that there's no realistic deep run w/o Brady and given that JG is gone at the end of this season, may as well trade him now and get something.

This isn't being mentioned enough. To understand why Jimmy was traded midseason, you have to factor in the (relatively) disappointing start to the season.

Garopolo was kept - in part I believe- because the team didn't want to have a repeat of 2008. That's when you saw a stacked roster that had gone 16-0 a year earlier, have their promising season derailed by Brady's torn ACL. Given what we saw of Garoppolo's limited sample size, it's not a stretch to say he might've been capable of carrying a talented team deep into the playoffs, if thrusted into that position Cassell found himself in (and provided he had the right pieces around him).

As we know, the 2017 team hasn't been as dominant as we predicted. Offseason acquisitions and key core players either got injured or didn't offer the production we hoped they would provide. With the questions that this team still has, the Patriots only reach the Super Bowl with Brady at the helm. There simply isn't enough talent or integrity to compete without him.And this ultimately diminished Belichick's hope of keeping Garappolo for "Super Bowl insurance policy" and made Jimmy more expendable by the deadline.

I commend Belichick for doing all he could to keep Garoppolo to the latest possible moment and still getting something decent in return. I think it was a gamble worth taking

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Belichick will have three selections in the top 60-65 picks next spring. It’s possible that he chooses to select a QB then, and he spends the next couple of years learning under Brady. It doesn’t necessarily have to be mid or late round lightning in a bottle, as you seem to suggest.

As a matter of fact, after spending 3 selections on third rounders (KOC, Mallett, Brissett) and not getting much back in return, I’d have to guess that he may have liked the flexibility that came with having the option to grab a 2nd round prospect (JG) who actually had good talent and measurables. Personally, I’m fully expecting a QB to be taken with one of those first few picks, and it’s supposed to be a decent class at the position.

All true points. But you also have to consider roster needs if this team wants to be a contender the next 4 years. Solder is likely not returning. Butler may also leave in free agency. Edelman and Dola will likely be playing past their prime. Gronk and Hightower will have durability concerns heading into the future.

At that point, you have to wonder if drafting for the O-line and the defense may be just as important (for the short-term) as grooming the next heir to Brady (in the long-term).

Like I said, Bill the GM has his work cut out for him. Keeping Garoppolo (just for even one more year) would've made his life easier.

In fact, rather than drafting Easley in the first round in 2014 (a bust) you might argue Garoppolo should've been drafted in the first round.... that way, Belichick could've had a 5th year option to use on him!!!!

But as the saying goes... Hindsight is 2020 :-/

 

[supafly]

All true points. But you also have to consider roster needs if this team wants to be a contender the next 4 years. Solder is likely not returning. Butler may also leave in free agency. Edelman and Dola will likely be playing past their prime. Gronk and Hightower will have durability concerns heading into the future.

At that point, you have to wonder if drafting for the O-line and the defense may be just as important (for the short-term) as grooming the next heir to Brady (in the long-term).

Like I said, Bill the GM has his work cut out for him. Keeping Garoppolo (just for even one more year) would've made his life easier.

In fact, rather than drafting Easley in the first round in 2014 (a bust) you might argue Garoppolo should've been drafted in the first round.... that way, Belichick could've had a 5th year option to use on him!!!!

But as the saying goes... Hindsight is 2020 :-/

At this point in time, I’m hoping for OT, QB, and a defensive player chosen by the early 60s. I’m not suggesting that anyone should go all in on a QB, but I think it’s a position that should be addressed fairly early.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

I’ll be ecstatic if we end up with Sam darnold. People are going to sour him. But his struggles at time this year are due to bad play around him. The kid can is a stud

and how exactly are we going to get a top 10-15 pick LOCK if he comes out this year?

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Belichick will have three selections in the top 60-65 picks next spring. It’s possible that he chooses to select a QB then, and he spends the next couple of years learning under Brady. It doesn’t necessarily have to be mid or late round lightning in a bottle, as you seem to suggest.

As a matter of fact, after spending 3 selections on third rounders (KOC, Mallett, Brissett) and not getting much back in return, I’d have to guess that he may have liked the flexibility that came with having the option to grab a 2nd round prospect (JG) who actually had good talent and measurables. Personally, I’m fully expecting a QB to be taken with one of those first few picks, and it’s supposed to be a decent class at the position.

Good points Sup.
It's my opinion (not data based -- just my hunch) plenty of QBs coming from college can be serviceable QBs IF given enough time/patience to learn at the NFL level. The problem is you have two kinds of QBs coming to the NFL: Thurst into the starting role (usually too soon and with either a short shelf life) or ones that sit too far back of the line on crappy teams where enough critical learning/reps at that important learning stage don't happen.
I am a Virginia Tech football watcher (against my will - an alumni forces me) and Tyrod Taylor did not display NFL QB qualities at VT(IMHO). But in the NFL he had time, little pressure, and maturing in a semi-winning program. I think it turned him into a half decent QB that would otherwise been a bust if pushed into starting too soon.

There's only one Tom Brady and there's only one BB. We struck the mother lode of platinum and gold in the same mine. And when they are gone there is no way the Patriots will not materially change. Reality, they'll both be gone, very likely, in 4 years (maybe sooner for Brady, I'd guess tops 5 years for BB). But if we have a QB who has a couple of years behind Brady and time to absorb the ethics of the BB program, I think we have a fair shot at some post TB//BB entertaining football viewing (that's the minimum I ask for post TB/BB). Maybe that could have been JG but now it ain't (maybe he will shine or maybe he will bust in SF). That chapter is closed, done. But if BB drafts a guy with decent skills and work ethic then IMHO a fair to better chance we'll have a Cassell or a JG to take over for GOAT -- a QB good enough to at least make it competitive (anything more than that will be an unlikely striking of the mother lode again -- like new HC JM and QB to be named later take over the dynasty and barely skip a beat ).

JG is gone, turn the page...

 

[supafly]

and how exactly are we going to get a top 10-15 pick LOCK if he comes out this year?

I suppose that he’s either hoping that Darnold will fall to the end of the first round, or that we’d use the additional pick to move up and draft a higher quality QB.

While I’m sure that you’re right that he’ll go in the top 10-15 picks, the hype that’s surrounding him seems to be dying down a bit. He’s hovering around a 60% completion rate, and has a 20-10 TD/INT ratio, so far. There have been times where he’s looked completely lost, which I suspect, is leading to the recent rumors that he’ll come back for his junior year next fall.

 

[fnordcircle]

Prediction: The Patriots will not draft a QB in the 2018 NFL Draft.

Why? Cause I dunno, they only pick QBs when you think there's no chance they'll pick a QB.

 

[Triumph]

ROFL

You think that Jimmy would be worth more AFTER the season, after he was a free agent?

Some teams are going to miss out in this QB draft

NE got **** for Jimmy. The spinmasters always sing a song of victory.

 

[Triumph]

ROFL

You think that Jimmy would be worth more AFTER the season, after he was a free agent?

Why did a 0 - 8 team pass on taking a QB this draft?

 

[DarrylS]

After trying to listen to the sportstalk mediots yesterday about this topic, they are more concerned with the conspiracy angle rather than the reality of this trade.. Felger is trying real hard to step in the cement shoes of Ron Borges.

They all contribute to the hypothetical world of how much more we could have gotten for Jimmy G. and how poorly timed this trade was, while parsing every word the Brady uttered to Jim Gray Mon. night and picking apart the tone and content of BB's conference call.. blah, blah, blah.. throw in some Bob Kraft rumors and a pure trifecta of idiocy..

Thank goodness for Pandora..

 

[TommyD4207]

Why did a 0 - 8 team pass on taking a QB this draft?

So they could have a young QB who's already trained, who doesn't have much tread wear on his tires, rather than drafting a rookie who they'll have to teach to walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[Bill Lee]

After trying to listen to the sportstalk mediots yesterday about this topic, they are more concerned with the conspiracy angle rather than the reality of this trade.. Felger is trying real hard to step in the cement shoes of Ron Borges.

They all contribute to the hypothetical world of how much more we could have gotten for Jimmy G. and how poorly timed this trade was, while parsing every word the Brady uttered to Jim Gray Mon. night and picking apart the tone and content of BB's conference call.. blah, blah, blah.. throw in some Bob Kraft rumors and a pure trifecta of idiocy..

Thank goodness for Pandora..

Yep. **** Felger, Mazz, Borges, and all the Boston Sports Talk Radio douche bags. It's all **** all day.

 

[Nehalem]

Belichick has his work cut out for him. Though every now and then, a QB appears in the mid or late rounds that surprise draft experts (Wilson, Dak, even Brady) QBs like Garoppolo don't typically grow on trees. There's a strong possibility that after Brady retires, the Pats may still not have a franchise QB to replace him.... and mediocrity will follow.

With the JG trade the following BB selected QBs will have started this year:

Tom Brady (GOAT)
Matt Cassel ( former pro-bowler)
Brian Hoyer (Most wins by a Browns' QB in the last 10 years)
Jacoby Brissett
JG

And there is still a chance for Ryan Mallet, especially with Flacco's concussion.

And really BB went
11-5 in 2008 with Matt Cassel(fairly counting KC as a Cassel win since he played 3.5Qs and the score was 0-0 when he entered)
3-1 in 2016 with JG and Brissett

That is a win% of 70% without Brady. That is the same winning percentage as Peyton Manning has.

So basically it seems BB has a gift for finding QBs

 

[fightingirish595]

Last I heard a couple of weeks ago, they were claiming that he was staying next season.

I certainly agree with taking a QB with one of our first three picks, though. I think it’s a given.

Youre right. I did hear a rumour he already had his mind made up. I forgot about this. time will tell

 

[BelichickFan]

Belichick will have three selections in the top 60-65 picks next spring. It’s possible that he chooses to select a QB then, and he spends the next couple of years learning under Brady. It doesn’t necessarily have to be mid or late round lightning in a bottle, as you seem to suggest.

It really depends how long Belichick is sticking around. If he no longer expects to outlast Brady he may be fine with Hoyer as a backup and building a stronger team around Brady and leaving the QB mess to the next guy.

If it's true that Kraft forced the trade, the irony is that he only hurt himself (or Jonathan). We all want a soft landing for Brady's end of career and I'm thrilled that he will almost certainly retire as a Patriot now - but by doing it, Kraft may have cost himself ten years of quality QB play while searching for the next Jimmy G.

 

[IllegalContact]

Draft Clayton Thorson please

 

[Froob]

Curran has some good inside info on Quick Slants pod.

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