Malcolm Butler as CB1 over Gilmore

[captain insano]

Well unless your posts are bombastic uncontrolled exaggeration, then you surely have no clue what you are seeing.

Seriously, after the ENTIRE secondary had issues with leaving receivers uncovered and 4 games into a 6 year contract, the guy Bill Belichick personally selected to be the second highest paid contract he has ever given out, you declare him a useless waste who needs to be gone.

If that is really the way your thought process works, what comes out of your mouth is meaningless.

as much as I love bb he isn't always right. and the ENTIRE secondary had issues because Gilmore did. it's a domino effect. when players cant grasp the offense or the defense after having a full training camp that's a huge red flag. if you think my comments are meaningless then don't comment on them. I could care less what your opinion is of me lol. your opinion is meaningless because you cant handle anybody disagreeing with you without going to name calling. what are you 12?

 

[DaBronxPats14]

One thing is for sure is that Butler definitely takes notes and practices like its game situations and to his benefit he saw it in SB 49 and yesterday when he punched it out on goal line play and then had presence of mind to know what he did and know it was no TD just how animated he was and that is a credit to him bringing it from practice to game day.

 

[Ring 6]

as much as I love bb he isn't always right.

And you decide that in 4 weeks.

and the ENTIRE secondary had issues because Gilmore did. it's a domino effect.

Lazy thinking. What do you have that says Gilmore was the problem other than a guess? The only real evidence we have are McCourty admitting the hill play was his fault and mayo explaining how the patriots cover bunches which says the Benjamin play was Rowes fault.
What do you have other than your wild guess?

when players cant grasp the offense or the defense after having a full training camp that's a huge red flag.

There is no evidence at all that Gilmore can't grasp the defense.

if you think my comments are meaningless then don't comment on them. I could care less what your opinion is of me lol. your opinion is meaningless because you cant handle anybody disagreeing with you without going to name calling. what are you 12?

I don't name call.

 

[50-yard-line]

Honestly, I hesitate to post anything Defense related on here because there are like two or three Homers who call everything a Hot Take or blah blah blah but the truth is...

Without that TD reversal, this defense effectively would have given the JETS not only a 300 yard game, but 24 points, with six games in already, it doesn't matter who's CB1 this D is absolutely terrible and I'm starting to doubt the ship will be set straight this year.

I'm not even going to touch the Gilmore issue, some people on here lose their ever loving minds whenever Gilmore is called out for what he is.

On a simple truth of sports that a single play changes all the plays behind it, the only thing you can say about that call was that it meant we surrendered 21 to the Jest, not 24.

The Pats would not have gone soft zone/conservative O if that touchdown had held.

 

[captain insano]

. (Because only a true idiot would say this based upon him shutting down Mike Evans in hos 5th)

i thought you said you didnt name call?

 

[supafly]

One thing is for sure is that Butler definitely takes notes and practices like its game situations and to his benefit he saw it in SB 49 and yesterday when he punched it out on goal line play and then had presence of mind to know what he did and know it was no TD just how animated he was and that is a credit to him bringing it from practice to game day.

Pretty sure Butler was crossing his arms in the "incomplete sign" just to signify that he didn't believe that ASJ had gotten in the endzone.

If he really knew that it was going to be a touchback based on the fact that ASJ would bobble the ball and then not show full recovery until he was technically out of bounds, that's insane.

 

[captain insano]

And you decide that in 4 weeks.


Lazy thinking. What do you have that says Gilmore was the problem other than a guess? The only real evidence we have are McCourty admitting the hill play was his fault and mayo explaining how the patriots cover bunches which says the Benjamin play was Rowes fault.
What do you have other than your wild guess?


There is no evidence at all that Gilmore can't grasp the defense.



I don't name call.

why are you responding to my post when everything from me is meaningless. you are right. I just don't like Gilmore because he has a huge forehead. you got me. it's really strange that so many people have been critical of Gilmore's play. they should have checked with you first. I guess they were all just guessing. you keep using the word evidence. you don't have any evidence and I don't either. just opinions. what do you think McCourty is going to say? it was all Gilmore's fault? of course, he's going to have his teammates back. so quoting McCourty doesn't help your argument.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

LOL 4 ganes in. (Because only a true idiot would say this based upon him shutting down Mike Evans in hos 5th)
Let me guess you were a bench brady guy in 2014 right?

Some of these idiots giving up on Gilmore will be the same ones praising his play later on during the season. The guy's a good corner and we need him in the secondary.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

I can't wait to see Gilmore slow down Julio Jones on sunday night.

 

[supafly]

I can't wait to see Gilmore slow down Julio Jones on sunday night.

Hoping Sanu may still be out.

 

[They_Hate_We]

Just read BB's 789-word "incomprehensible" response. The man makes too much sense. Let's see how the D looks after 60 practices...80? 90?

To think they're the same team they were 5 months ago is "incomprehensible" but what does he know. Bad paraphrasing I know. But a classic response from BB.

'nuff said

 

[Ring 6]

i thought you said you didnt name call?

I don't. Are you saying Gilmore sucked in that game?

 

[Ring 6]

why are you responding to my post when everything from me is meaningless. you are right. I just don't like Gilmore because he has a huge forehead. you got me. it's really strange that so many people have been critical of Gilmore's play. they should have checked with you first. I guess they were all just guessing. you keep using the word evidence. you don't have any evidence and I don't either. just opinions. what do you think McCourty is going to say? it was all Gilmore's fault? of course, he's going to have his teammates back. so quoting McCourty doesn't help your argument.

So McCourty lied? Wow.

 

[TommyD4207]

Malcolm Butler as CB1 over Gilmore

The organization should acknowledge Gilmore isn't a CB1 and fix this.

- The Jets game reminded everyone of how Butler remains one of the most clutch big-play CB's in the league. The defense (especially McCourty) plays better with Butler as CB1.

- Butler already made one pro bowl and narrowly missed on a second pro bowl.

- Gilmore has some of the worst football / scheme awareness I've seen as a CB1. You can't rely on a corner who completely blows assignments or adjustments, it exposes your safeties.

- Gilmore may arguably have superior physical gifts but in terms of awareness, intelligence, performing through adversity and delivering big plays, Malcolm Butler is a much better fit at CB1. This reminds me right now of a cornerback version scenario of Drew Henson v Brady at Michigan.

Butler gave up both of the Jets TDs. You know that, right?

 

[captain insano]

So McCourty lied? Wow.

so you think that McCourty would come out and blame or be critical of a fellow teammate in the press? you sound ridiculous lmao.

 

[Deus Irae]

There is no evidence at all that Gilmore can't grasp the defense.

Other then then whole "Gilmore hasn't grasped the defense" thing, of course.




I think he'll figure it out, but to say that there's no evidence he can't is absurd.

 

[captain insano]

(Because only a true idiot would say this based upon him shutting down Mike Evans in hos 5th)
Let me guess you were a bench brady guy in 2014 right?

i thought you said you dont name call?

 

[mgteich]

I don't care whether Butler is worth more than Gilmore. We have BOTH for this season. Even if Gilmore is an average starting corner by the time the playoffs come, we will be glad we have him.

 

[skinnydog]

And you decide that in 4 weeks.


Lazy thinking. What do you have that says Gilmore was the problem other than a guess? The only real evidence we have are McCourty admitting the hill play was his fault and mayo explaining how the patriots cover bunches which says the Benjamin play was Rowes fault.
What do you have other than your wild guess?


There is no evidence at all that Gilmore can't grasp the defense.



I don't name call.

I agree. I can’t see how all the blame gets laid on Gilmore. Yes, as a result of Gilmore being here many of the coverage responsibilities seem to have been modified. Nonetheless several players beyond Gilmore seem to have blown their coverage assignments in the first 6 games including Butler.

 

[Patjew]

Like everyone else I'm very appreciative of Butler and love his fire, but he's not close to an elite 1 CB. He had some very good plays yesterday but he also got burnt. Having seen Law and Revis in their primes up close, Butler just isn't in the same stratosphere. Gilmore isn't either yet. So who cares who you call number 1; IMO theyre both good but not great. To be great requires consistency.