Post Game Thread Pats @ Jets

[luuked]

It's funny how many "nothing you can do about that, it was just a great play" passes the Patriots seem to give up.

Why ? That is just the nature of things. The quality of QB passes is normally distributed for every player, it is just that better players have it centered farther up than others. This happens in every game. I am sure you can find great throws by even Bortles now and again.

 

[Tony2046]

It'll be unpopular here but I think the refs blew the touchback call.

Yes, the ball absolutely was loose before the ballcarrier crossed the plane. However, I don't think it's possible to tell where he re-established control. Therefore, since the call on the field was a TD, it should have stood.

I'm obviously happy it didn't, of course.

I wasn't sure myself but I just watched a replay of it and it looks like the ball hit the ground while he was trying to recover it and his shoulder hits out of bounds.

https://deadspin.com/the-jets-got-screwed-out-of-a-touchdown-1819488051

But yeah it's a tough call.

 

[luuked]

The defense gave up a career day to a 38 year old journeyman and you think they are trending upward?

Yes.

 

[Ring 6]

It'll be unpopular here but I think the refs blew the touchback call.

Yes, the ball absolutely was loose before the ballcarrier crossed the plane. However, I don't think it's possible to tell where he re-established control. Therefore, since the call on the field was a TD, it should have stood.

I'm obviously happy it didn't, of course.

I see what you are saying BUT if you read the rule write up that was posted in this thread, as soon as the ball is loose he has to GAIN possession by the same standard of a catch, i.e. get control then 2 feet in.
Understanding that is the standard it's pretty clear to see he didn't gain possession before being out of bounds.
With that standard it's not as close as it looks. Imo.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I agree with that as far as it goes.

However, as I said above, I don't think it's so clear-cut that he re-established control too late.

 

[Tony2046]

OK that makes it a lot more clear. He had to reestablish control.

 

[luuked]

I agree with that as far as it goes.

However, as I said above, I don't think it's so clear-cut that he re-established control too late.

I agree, I just dont think it should have been overturned without a clear shot of the moment where he reestablished control. As a fan I would be livid if the refs would just speculate and overturn it on review without a money shot.

 

[bormio]

And I am more concerned about our offense than the defense based on the last two games. One of the two is trending into the right direction compared to where they were 3 weeks ago.

I agree the defense is some better (hard to be worse). And the offense seems a bit like that from the 2009-12 era, good production, but poor at putting teams away when we have the lead in the 4th. I would prefer to not relive that era.

 

[Ring 6]

I wasn't sure myself but I just watched a replay of it and it looks like the ball hit the ground while he was trying to recover it and his shoulder hits out of bounds.

https://deadspin.com/the-jets-got-screwed-out-of-a-touchdown-1819488051

But yeah it's a tough call.

Reading the rule, which requires repossession to be done to the standard of a pass catch, watchvthe replay.
When the ball is out he is airborne.
Now assume when he regrabs it that it was a pass catch then he lands as he did. No way that meets the catch standard.

 

[Dingleberry]

It's funny how many "nothing you can do about that, it was just a great play" passes the Patriots seem to give up.

Exactly. When you have a lot of "bad luck" against you, it's probably not about luck.

But I do see improvement...

I would say the D pretty much sucked a bag of d!cks to start the season. Now, I would say they just suck d!ck. One solitary peepee, but better than a bag full of 'em!

I'm hoping they improve to handjobs by the bye week.

 

[bormio]

OK that makes it a lot more clear. He had to reestablish control.

It is not clear that he did not do that before landing OOB - at least on view I saw.

 

[JetFan79]

Well NY radio isn't thrilled with the call (to say the least). Had to turn it off cause it was just getting me pissed.

Sucks, but it's done. Jets made other big mistakes as well that cost the game too. Wasn't just that one play.

This game did prove to me Bowles has this team playing really damn well, or at least much better than expected.

Should be a fun season and especially a fun future meeting in NE.

Enjoy the W NE. Cheers to a good game!

 

[Tony2046]

Reading the rule, which requires repossession to be done to the standard of a pass catch, watchvthe replay.
When the ball is out he is airborne.
Now assume when he regrabs it that it was a pass catch then he lands as he did. No way that meets the catch standard.

Yeah I get it now. I wasn't thinking about the process of reestablishing control.

 

[bormio]

Reading the rule, which requires repossession to be done to the standard of a pass catch, watchvthe replay.
When the ball is out he is airborne.
Now assume when he regrabs it that it was a pass catch then he lands as he did. No way that meets the catch standard.

If that is the rule - a rule change is coming.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I agree with that as far as it goes.

However, as I said above, I don't think it's so clear-cut that he re-established control too late.

OK that makes it a lot more clear. He had to reestablish control.

I was re-watching the replays and his left knee is in bounds where we can't see the possession. So, it probably should have stayed as originally called with that in mind (because the argument of whether he is in or out of bounds is solved where you can see his knee in bounds) but it was probably the wrong call to begin with and the Jets suck and **** NY so I don't give a ****

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

D gave up 17 pts this week and 14 last week. Not pretty and room fir improvement but ill take it. Next week is the real test for the d - hope gilmore and rowe are back.

This week and last week remind me of the sloppy, gritty 2003 wins. Houston was another close one but that was basically all brady. All in all were fortunate to be 4-2 and in position for a late season push if we work things out.

Bradys shoulder is an issue, 2nd shaky performance in a row. Keepin a close eye but should be fine.

Big plays made by gronk, cooks, butler, and hightower at crucial moments. Thats steppin up by the stars. Dion lewis was great today.

Refs hurt us alot today prior to the td overturn which yes was a fortunate break for us because agree with it or not thats a very borderline call to make. Its just hilarious that the narrative is gonna be that the jets got screwed when anyone who actually watched the game with an open mind would see multiple time the pats got screwed.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree, I just dont think it should have been overturned without a clear shot of the moment where he reestablished control. As a fan I would be livid if the refs would just speculate and overturn it on review without a money shot.

As I posted previously, you are looking at it wrong.
Once the ball is out, the standard of gaining possession is the same as a pass reception.

He is airborne when its knocked out. Regardless of the instant he gains possession he must gain it to the standard of a pass reception. No way he gets 2 feet down. Therefore he has to be out of bounds (and beyond the goal line) when he is awarded possession.
If you apply the correct rule what looks like splitting a hair of the instant he controls the ball whole airborne actually becomes a very easy call because there is no way he meets the standard of a catch.

 

[Joey007]

How about Van Noy by the way?

3.5 sacks in he last three games.

 

[Tony2046]

It is not clear that he did not do that before landing OOB - at least on view I saw.

I don't think it matters if he regained control before touching the ground because in order to reestablish control he would have to touch the ground. It would go back to the "make a football move" stuff. He landed out of bounds before making a football move.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I see what you are saying BUT if you read the rule write up that was posted in this thread, as soon as the ball is loose he has to GAIN possession by the same standard of a catch, i.e. get control then 2 feet in.
Understanding that is the standard it's pretty clear to see he didn't gain possession before being out of bounds.
With that standard it's not as close as it looks. Imo.

Am I missing something or is his knee not in bounds when he questionably landed on the ground after fumbling? I'm trying to watch this objectively and if his knee is in bounds while he's landing then I'll change my mind and say that should have stayed with the ruling on the field. If it's out of bounds It's clearly a touchback and Pats ball